the flyin' scotsman

Now we're talking..............what the hell does Kibort do anyway but thrash an old 928 round race tracks and beats the pants off of all the fancy rich teams and then thinks he knows something about some oil products.

After all he's a working dude that races on the weekend for fun and has no $$ for any friggin spacers no matter who made/invented the things.................it sure wasn't Porsche.

I know another thing for sure................the 928 market is very small and we collectively dont need this BS and in the immortal words of Clouseau..............who has a licence for this monkey?

blown 87

Oh, I dont think anybody ever said he was right, just sure of himself.

Carl Fausett

I do too. Except that your list is too small. In addition to Dave Roberts, Constantine, Tim Murphy, and Roger, you missed Mark Anderson, Porken, Louie Ott, Scott @ Renegade, and I'm certain I am missing several more also. Then a nod must be also given to the past: DEVEK, Rotrex, Phil Threshie, and still more who have walked this road before me.

I appreciate all of these guys and their products. Many I have not seen personally and only know of them through photos. But they look damn good, and their reputation suggests that they are as good as they look.

The point is: I get along with all of these guys pretty well. We co-exist.
Most of these guys make a few items, and some make a few more.

We manufacture a LOT of items (and I am not talking about those we resell but do not manufacture - for that Dave Roberts and Mark Anderson surely deserve top billing); and we make these items in several genres: suspension, engine, body, competition, exhaust, etc.

So, if there is anybody most likely to step on someones toes, I s'pose its me.

jthwan22

ok, instead of all the drama would someone please answer my tech question? Why only 1 gasket? What is sealing between spacer and oil pan?

hacker-pschorr

Most newer cars do not have oil pan gaskets in favor of some kind of sealant.

Same idea behind how the girdle is sealed in our engines.

David L. Lutz

Yes, only one gasket and its been installed well over a year and no issues. When I mated the spacer to the block IIRC I used Locktite 515. There are a couple of post about this here somewhere. (use the gasket between the oil pan and spacer)

blown 87

It is a shame we have to use a gasket at all.

ptuomov

So why any gasket then?

Imo000

Maybe to justify the price.

hacker-pschorr

I would suspect on our cars there would be the issue of the oil pickup being too close to the bottom of the pan if we left it off.
With the spacer....I suppose it could have been designed to be a bit thicker to eliminate the gasket all-together.

Todd's been talking about finishing the surfaces of his next motor / pan to eliminate the gasket. I think he already has one of Mike's spacers.

This is a SAAB 9-5 pan ready to go back on. The sump is built into the pan:

svp928

Actually, it would be ideal to cut o-ring grooves on both sides, make it a little thicker to compensatefor the thickness of the gasket, and leave the gasket out completely...

borland

This company manufactures reusable differential cover gaskets. This is not a new idea. Silicone rubber is applied to a metal substrate during manufacturing.

http://www.lubelocker.com/index.html



This looks like a pan gasket:

http://www.quadratec.com/products/im...2F54038-lg.jpg

Carl Fausett

...because two gaskets would double the probabilioty of a leak. And two gaskets would allow the spacer to "float" and we dont want that.

We provide a card of JB weld with the spacer, and our instruction tell you to use it (sparingly) to seal and bond the spacer to the oil pan. Then the only gasket is between the spacer and the engine.

If you put the new gasket up onto the studs we provide, it will hold itself there. Then put a thin spread of JB Weld around the inner of the two lips of the oil pan, add the spacer, and bolt it all up. The JB weld will set in 12-24 hours and not leak. The spacer will come and go with the oilpan after this as normal.

I am away from my office right now, but I can post pics about this on Monday.

If a customer does not want to modify his oil pan in this way, he can also use Permatex Form-a-Gasket between the oilpan and the spacer, and still be able to remove the spacer at a later date if he should choose to do so.

ptuomov

Why not just use sealer on both sides of the spacer? Once the force is there pressing the pan to the spacer to the girdle, it's not going to float.

Carl Fausett

I disagree. If the gasket does what it is supposed to, it will not crush out, and will always remain pliable. Virtually guaranteeing that the spacer will be free to move if it has a gasket on both sides.

Would that cause a problem? Probably not, but my personal choice is to reduce the potential for a gasket leak by reducing, not increasing, the number of gaskets if I can. One gasket I can live with. Two? I just didnt want to.

The next issue would be spacer thickness. We designed it for use with a single gasket. If you prefer to use it with 2 gaskets, you will discover that getting the starter in position will be even harder, and you might have clearance problems with the slave cylinder line on MT cars.

Someone might ask why we didnt just mill a grove and embed an o-ring (no gasket). Answer: cost and complexity. That could certainly be done, but I am not a fan of adding complexity that does not do anything that the less complicated solution already provides. Occam's Razor.