Finally selling my 928 GTS project car
11-05-2009, 01:13 PM
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I remember this car, and when Potsie bought it. I wish you the best. It is really difficult to bear up under strain like you're facing, and I really hope things turn and go better for you 
11-05-2009, 02:11 PM
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That will teach potsie to offer it here. 
Sorry for his situation.
My exceptionally clean '93 A/T, 69,500 miles at the time, w/no issues, was on ebay once, and cars.com for a long time, more than a year. The best offer I had was $20,000. I politely told him to look for another car. I'm just trying to give another perspective here. The market is thin, thin, thin for these cars. Add issues, it gets thinner.
Sorry for his situation.My exceptionally clean '93 A/T, 69,500 miles at the time, w/no issues, was on ebay once, and cars.com for a long time, more than a year. The best offer I had was $20,000. I politely told him to look for another car. I'm just trying to give another perspective here. The market is thin, thin, thin for these cars. Add issues, it gets thinner.
11-05-2009, 03:16 PM
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If you lived close enough you could put the car in my shop and we could gather some 928 wrenches and get it running and ready for sale. I think you deserve some help from the Rennlist community in this time of a job loss and unknown future prospects. We have done more than that for others on this forum.
I'm in NC, so the offer stands. If you can get it here and cover parts cost, we can gather the labor to get it running.
I'm in NC, so the offer stands. If you can get it here and cover parts cost, we can gather the labor to get it running.
Kudos to cold_beer839, he's the first.
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11-05-2009, 03:58 PM
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Jezuz!
It is a California car and was hit early on in the rear and totaled. For a late model GTS to be totaled takes a pretty good hit. This is part of the reason the rear hatch does not close correctly and probably leaks as well.
The car then was rebuilt on a salvage title and ended up in Chicago where is was hit hard in the front and sold a wreck a couple of times on eBay. It sat a few years between each rebuild.
If the car tracks correctly it will be a miracle. The front end was cut off an 87 S4 and welded on to the front of the GTS. The cut was made behind the front strut posts to save the expense of a frame machine. The carpets were replaced because the original carpets were damaged by the welding on the new front clip.
https://rennlist.com/forums/4789543-post12.html
It is a California car and was hit early on in the rear and totaled. For a late model GTS to be totaled takes a pretty good hit. This is part of the reason the rear hatch does not close correctly and probably leaks as well.
The car then was rebuilt on a salvage title and ended up in Chicago where is was hit hard in the front and sold a wreck a couple of times on eBay. It sat a few years between each rebuild.
If the car tracks correctly it will be a miracle. The front end was cut off an 87 S4 and welded on to the front of the GTS. The cut was made behind the front strut posts to save the expense of a frame machine. The carpets were replaced because the original carpets were damaged by the welding on the new front clip.
https://rennlist.com/forums/4789543-post12.html
11-05-2009, 05:41 PM
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I'm going to disagree. If he had offered up all the details first instead of his strategy to capture attention first, then provide details to serious bidders, he would have gotten a less hostile reception. There's nothing like creating an expectation in people then disappointing them to bring out the worst reaction in people, me included. As far as I am concerned, Potsie has shot himself in the foot. He needs to face the fact that the car is worth far more in parts than it is now as a non-running chop-shop special. This is a legitimate suggestion if he wants to get some real money. If he just wants to sell it as is, eBay is his best bet, but the ad will need to be completely forthcoming or he will get accused of misrepresentation.
My experiences over the last 2 weeks have made me less tolerant of unneccessary, time-wasting BS. I call BS on Potsie's "error" posting his car in Jim Morton's GTS for sale thread and the way he has slowly revealed the facts about this car in this thread.
My experiences over the last 2 weeks have made me less tolerant of unneccessary, time-wasting BS. I call BS on Potsie's "error" posting his car in Jim Morton's GTS for sale thread and the way he has slowly revealed the facts about this car in this thread.
11-05-2009, 06:01 PM
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Based on the e-mails that I've seen, my opinion is that it wouldn't take much at all in time or money to get the engine running.
James, even if you don't get it running yourself, or with free help from someone, I think that it would be well worth it to pay to get the car running. It will both easier to sell when running, and also sell for more money. If Earl Gillstrom is nearby, having him fix the running issue would be what I'd do if you do end up taking it somewhere to be fixed.
I also agree with some of the other people who've posted in this thread that you'd probably be better off selling the supercharger stuff separately, and having the car at least somewhat closer to stock looking.
James, even if you don't get it running yourself, or with free help from someone, I think that it would be well worth it to pay to get the car running. It will both easier to sell when running, and also sell for more money. If Earl Gillstrom is nearby, having him fix the running issue would be what I'd do if you do end up taking it somewhere to be fixed.
I also agree with some of the other people who've posted in this thread that you'd probably be better off selling the supercharger stuff separately, and having the car at least somewhat closer to stock looking.
If you lived close enough you could put the car in my shop and we could gather some 928 wrenches and get it running and ready for sale. I think you deserve some help from the Rennlist community in this time of a job loss and unknown future prospects. We have done more than that for others on this forum.
I'm in NC, so the offer stands. If you can get it here and cover parts cost, we can gather the labor to get it running.
Personally, I would sell the S/C separately (may help pay the parts to get the car running) and then find some stock seats and wheels.
Is it an LSD trans? If it is, that may be more of a plus than a negative on the trans swap issue.
I agree, the salvage title is a negative that will not be overcome.
I'm in NC, so the offer stands. If you can get it here and cover parts cost, we can gather the labor to get it running.
Personally, I would sell the S/C separately (may help pay the parts to get the car running) and then find some stock seats and wheels.
Is it an LSD trans? If it is, that may be more of a plus than a negative on the trans swap issue.
I agree, the salvage title is a negative that will not be overcome.
11-05-2009, 06:09 PM
#54
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With all the info, sorry to say it sounds like the best way to extract value from the car is to part it out.
Second best would be to put the engine back to stock, get it running, sell the car, and sell the supercharger separately to someone brave here.
Evidently you need short-term cashflow - so sell the transmission/TT, the stock engine, and the supercharger components as three separate sales, as all should sell fairly well. Also start pulling the car apart and selling as you go. Interior, 5-spd conversion kit (clutch pedal, master, slave, firewall bracket etc.), dual-disk clutch components, mirrors, alternator, HVAC bits etc.
Set yourself a realistic deadline to get the shell picked up by a recycler - maybe 4 weeks from now. By then you should have been able to sell a good amount of it, and not have to store too many parts while they wait to sell.
For an idea on how to conduct the sale effectively, have a look for Giovanni's thread on his '88 parts car that had a bad engine. Photos of items, fast responses, fast shipping, fast cash!
Second best would be to put the engine back to stock, get it running, sell the car, and sell the supercharger separately to someone brave here.
Evidently you need short-term cashflow - so sell the transmission/TT, the stock engine, and the supercharger components as three separate sales, as all should sell fairly well. Also start pulling the car apart and selling as you go. Interior, 5-spd conversion kit (clutch pedal, master, slave, firewall bracket etc.), dual-disk clutch components, mirrors, alternator, HVAC bits etc.
Set yourself a realistic deadline to get the shell picked up by a recycler - maybe 4 weeks from now. By then you should have been able to sell a good amount of it, and not have to store too many parts while they wait to sell.
For an idea on how to conduct the sale effectively, have a look for Giovanni's thread on his '88 parts car that had a bad engine. Photos of items, fast responses, fast shipping, fast cash!
11-05-2009, 06:11 PM
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Good news James, you don't have to be depressed. It didn't sell for 25k, it was traded even for a pristine '94 911 cabriolet with 38k miles.
I'll be driving it (Joe's SC GTS) at Third Coast this weekend with my hubbie in tow in my ramp van. Nothing like a well trained hubby!
See ya' there.
I'll be driving it (Joe's SC GTS) at Third Coast this weekend with my hubbie in tow in my ramp van. Nothing like a well trained hubby!
See ya' there.
That is good... I look forward to seeing it Friday night! That is the only part of the event I will make unfortunately, but I am looking forward to seeing everyone on Friday at dinner...
11-05-2009, 06:26 PM
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I'm going to disagree. If he had offered up all the details first instead of his strategy to capture attention first, then provide details to serious bidders, he would have gotten a less hostile reception. There's nothing like creating an expectation in people then disappointing them to bring out the worst reaction in people, me included. As far as I am concerned, Potsie has shot himself in the foot. He needs to face the fact that the car is worth far more in parts than it is now as a non-running chop-shop special. This is a legitimate suggestion if he wants to get some real money. If he just wants to sell it as is, eBay is his best bet, but the ad will need to be completely forthcoming or he will get accused of misrepresentation.
My experiences over the last 2 weeks have made me less tolerant of unneccessary, time-wasting BS. I call BS on Potsie's "error" posting his car in Jim Morton's GTS for sale thread and the way he has slowly revealed the facts about this car in this thread.
My experiences over the last 2 weeks have made me less tolerant of unneccessary, time-wasting BS. I call BS on Potsie's "error" posting his car in Jim Morton's GTS for sale thread and the way he has slowly revealed the facts about this car in this thread.
RL is dissed for its harsh assessment of picky little things. Where's the harm in a little cobbling together of (Karmen) Ghia, Taurus and Sienna parts and calling it a GTS
11-05-2009, 07:47 PM
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Wow , I knew it was a frankenstein, but i didnt know at both ends!
I had heard about some weird ****, and the weirdest of the weird on a GTS is REPLACED FRONT CLIP!
This is honestly 2 cars welded together, and who knows how the rear was repaired, it could be 3 cars actually.
This car is a true disaster, the chassis should have been scrapped long ago
THIS IS NO GTS!
I do se value if you part it, but only for the current owner. I would offer you $5,000 for it and pay to ship it out to me but I wouldnt pay anymore, i would want to make money on it, not break even.
The engine as a core could be worth as much as $5,000 but this was an automatic and the ever important TBF should be checked out. If thats the problem then the only thing of value would be the heads and maybe pistons
The SC is probably worth $3000 considering what Tim has posted
The transaxle is worth maybe $1000 maybe more if it had LSD
The rear quarters if they arent all filled with filler are worth $1000 for the pair
The dash a couple hundred
yeah its a parts car, I wouldnt ever suggest even driving it, when you hear front clip replaced.... YOU RUN! I walk away when i hear salvage, but i honestly would run if i heard franken car.
Salvage is something that i would never buy unless it was like a $2000 car, i dont care what it is. But that would assume accident damage, or stolen. But cut up and welded together is a car that should flat out be scrapped.
I had heard about some weird ****, and the weirdest of the weird on a GTS is REPLACED FRONT CLIP!
This is honestly 2 cars welded together, and who knows how the rear was repaired, it could be 3 cars actually.
This car is a true disaster, the chassis should have been scrapped long ago
THIS IS NO GTS!
I do se value if you part it, but only for the current owner. I would offer you $5,000 for it and pay to ship it out to me but I wouldnt pay anymore, i would want to make money on it, not break even.
The engine as a core could be worth as much as $5,000 but this was an automatic and the ever important TBF should be checked out. If thats the problem then the only thing of value would be the heads and maybe pistons
The SC is probably worth $3000 considering what Tim has posted
The transaxle is worth maybe $1000 maybe more if it had LSD
The rear quarters if they arent all filled with filler are worth $1000 for the pair
The dash a couple hundred
yeah its a parts car, I wouldnt ever suggest even driving it, when you hear front clip replaced.... YOU RUN! I walk away when i hear salvage, but i honestly would run if i heard franken car.
Salvage is something that i would never buy unless it was like a $2000 car, i dont care what it is. But that would assume accident damage, or stolen. But cut up and welded together is a car that should flat out be scrapped.
11-05-2009, 08:14 PM
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As things are now, best bet to get real money out of this car would be to purchase this body https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...1000-00-a.html for a fair price, put in the GTS engine without turbo, sell the resulting car and then sell the turbo kit and the remaining parts.
Unfortunatelly I doubt that someone who just lost his job has the money to invest more.
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Unfortunatelly I doubt that someone who just lost his job has the money to invest more.
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11-05-2009, 08:18 PM
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As things are now, best bet to get real money out of this car would be to purchase this body https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...1000-00-a.html for a fair price, put in the GTS engine without turbo, sell the resulting car and then sell the turbo kit and the remaining parts.
Unfortunatelly I doubt that someone who just lost his job has the money to invest more.
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Unfortunatelly I doubt that someone who just lost his job has the money to invest more.
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1979 Euro
11-05-2009, 08:42 PM
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OK I'm going to through a curve in here, I do agree that this car being “being” a cobbled together GTS from various year parts and the auto to stick conversion etc. does not bring GTS money, no way no how. And parting it out does sound like a way to go (even if you have to make several sales over some period of time). However…
If it was sold as a re-constructed “running“ GTS, 5 speed, dual clutch w/ a Super charged eng making +450 to 500 plus HP w/custom extras like the seats/radio etc.. it could fetch maybe $15K, yes?
Considering the market, the history of the car, as just as a running 928 w/o the SC... it's a parts car what ever that would be worth.
Just saying
If it was sold as a re-constructed “running“ GTS, 5 speed, dual clutch w/ a Super charged eng making +450 to 500 plus HP w/custom extras like the seats/radio etc.. it could fetch maybe $15K, yes?
Considering the market, the history of the car, as just as a running 928 w/o the SC... it's a parts car what ever that would be worth.
Just saying