Finally selling my 928 GTS project car
11-05-2009, 08:59 PM
#61
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OK I'm going to through a curve in here, I do agree that this car being “being” a cobbled together GTS from various year parts and the auto to stick conversion etc. does not bring GTS money, no way no how. And parting it out does sound like a way to go (even if you have to make several sales over some period of time). However…
If it was sold as a re-constructed “running“ GTS, 5 speed, dual clutch w/ a Super charged eng making +450 to 500 plus HP w/custom extras like the seats/radio etc.. it could fetch maybe $15K, yes?
Considering the market, the history of the car, as just as a running 928 w/o the SC... it's a parts car what ever that would be worth.
Just saying
If it was sold as a re-constructed “running“ GTS, 5 speed, dual clutch w/ a Super charged eng making +450 to 500 plus HP w/custom extras like the seats/radio etc.. it could fetch maybe $15K, yes?
Considering the market, the history of the car, as just as a running 928 w/o the SC... it's a parts car what ever that would be worth.
Just saying
I saw a pimp my ride episode where the kids car was 2 welded together cars. And even those guys said NO WAY! They scrapped the kids car, and instead pimped out a brand new Scion XB or something like that.
This kind of repair is absolutely garbage, I would never even drive a car that was put together this way, let alone own one.
To the OP, did you know about this type of repair when you bought the car? Or was this something you found out only after purchase?
11-05-2009, 09:13 PM
#62
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Yes I did and I saw that one too.
IF and I say IF it was welded corectly it will hold up and that is why I said "could" and also it was only worth the sum of it's parts w/o the running sorted out SC. This COULD be a fun "F" it car, but never a more than that.
IF and I say IF it was welded corectly it will hold up and that is why I said "could" and also it was only worth the sum of it's parts w/o the running sorted out SC. This COULD be a fun "F" it car, but never a more than that.
11-05-2009, 09:14 PM
#63
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Holy crap, RUN
Jezuz!
It is a California car and was hit early on in the rear and totaled. For a late model GTS to be totaled takes a pretty good hit. This is part of the reason the rear hatch does not close correctly and probably leaks as well.
The car then was rebuilt on a salvage title and ended up in Chicago where is was hit hard in the front and sold a wreck a couple of times on eBay. It sat a few years between each rebuild.
If the car tracks correctly it will be a miracle. The front end was cut off an 87 S4 and welded on to the front of the GTS. The cut was made behind the front strut posts to save the expense of a frame machine. The carpets were replaced because the original carpets were damaged by the welding on the new front clip.
https://rennlist.com/forums/4789543-post12.html
It is a California car and was hit early on in the rear and totaled. For a late model GTS to be totaled takes a pretty good hit. This is part of the reason the rear hatch does not close correctly and probably leaks as well.
The car then was rebuilt on a salvage title and ended up in Chicago where is was hit hard in the front and sold a wreck a couple of times on eBay. It sat a few years between each rebuild.
If the car tracks correctly it will be a miracle. The front end was cut off an 87 S4 and welded on to the front of the GTS. The cut was made behind the front strut posts to save the expense of a frame machine. The carpets were replaced because the original carpets were damaged by the welding on the new front clip.
https://rennlist.com/forums/4789543-post12.html
11-05-2009, 10:07 PM
#65
Are you taking into account the fact that the unibody was cut up, and the front end from another 928 was "grafted" onto the GTS shell?
I saw a pimp my ride episode where the kids car was 2 welded together cars. And even those guys said NO WAY! They scrapped the kids car, and instead pimped out a brand new Scion XB or something like that.
This kind of repair is absolutely garbage, I would never even drive a car that was put together this way, let alone own one.
To the OP, did you know about this type of repair when you bought the car? Or was this something you found out only after purchase?
I saw a pimp my ride episode where the kids car was 2 welded together cars. And even those guys said NO WAY! They scrapped the kids car, and instead pimped out a brand new Scion XB or something like that.
This kind of repair is absolutely garbage, I would never even drive a car that was put together this way, let alone own one.
To the OP, did you know about this type of repair when you bought the car? Or was this something you found out only after purchase?
11-05-2009, 10:09 PM
#66
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I've seen another GTS repaired this way and you'd be hard pressed to tell it was ever in a wreck. So much so that unless you had it up in the air and stuck your head in there you wouldn't notice. Personally I wouldn't buy one but they are out there and sometimes you may not even know unless the seller discloses.
In general, does Car fax pick up allot more stuff than AutoCheck? I know neither is perfect
11-05-2009, 11:30 PM
#67
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Nothing beats somebody that knows these cars spending some time with a flashlight and the car on a lift.
11-05-2009, 11:46 PM
#68
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Now this is what rennlist is all about! Take him up on his offer! 
If you lived close enough you could put the car in my shop and we could gather some 928 wrenches and get it running and ready for sale. I think you deserve some help from the Rennlist community in this time of a job loss and unknown future prospects. We have done more than that for others on this forum.
I'm in NC, so the offer stands. If you can get it here and cover parts cost, we can gather the labor to get it running.
Personally, I would sell the S/C separately (may help pay the parts to get the car running) and then find some stock seats and wheels.
Is it an LSD trans? If it is, that may be more of a plus than a negative on the trans swap issue.
I agree, the salvage title is a negative that will not be overcome.
I'm in NC, so the offer stands. If you can get it here and cover parts cost, we can gather the labor to get it running.
Personally, I would sell the S/C separately (may help pay the parts to get the car running) and then find some stock seats and wheels.
Is it an LSD trans? If it is, that may be more of a plus than a negative on the trans swap issue.
I agree, the salvage title is a negative that will not be overcome.
11-05-2009, 11:50 PM
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Kevin, that wasnt an attack on you. I recall you saying something that the kit looked nothing like what you sold him. So im going to assume it was "modified" by the current seller. It has nothing to do with you brother.
Also, a stage one is worth what? $5000 new? I was throwing out prices for the the sake of speculation, I will tell you that nothing used is worth what it costs new, so its somewhere less than $5000 or whatever the stage 1 costs.
Look at the post again and you may see the point i was trying to make. Im pointing out the value as a parts car, in which case i assign a value to items. Would i sell a nice airbag dash in black for $100? probably not, id want $200 for it, but is that worth splitting hairs?
Also, a stage one is worth what? $5000 new? I was throwing out prices for the the sake of speculation, I will tell you that nothing used is worth what it costs new, so its somewhere less than $5000 or whatever the stage 1 costs.
Look at the post again and you may see the point i was trying to make. Im pointing out the value as a parts car, in which case i assign a value to items. Would i sell a nice airbag dash in black for $100? probably not, id want $200 for it, but is that worth splitting hairs?
11-05-2009, 11:58 PM
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11-06-2009, 02:03 AM
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I've been collecting cars for a while. No one wants a car with a salvaged title. Also I don't think you can get an insurance company to underwrite one, I'am just guessing on that, but don't think so. At least not for real value. I think Bill is correct, part it out. You will make out better in the long run.
11-06-2009, 02:43 AM
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Are you taking into account the fact that the unibody was cut up, and the front end from another 928 was "grafted" onto the GTS shell?
I saw a pimp my ride episode where the kids car was 2 welded together cars. And even those guys said NO WAY! They scrapped the kids car, and instead pimped out a brand new Scion XB or something like that.
This kind of repair is absolutely garbage, I would never even drive a car that was put together this way, let alone own one.
To the OP, did you know about this type of repair when you bought the car? Or was this something you found out only after purchase?
I saw a pimp my ride episode where the kids car was 2 welded together cars. And even those guys said NO WAY! They scrapped the kids car, and instead pimped out a brand new Scion XB or something like that.
This kind of repair is absolutely garbage, I would never even drive a car that was put together this way, let alone own one.
To the OP, did you know about this type of repair when you bought the car? Or was this something you found out only after purchase?
I think you guys need to calm down about this and anyone interested needs to just contact the OP. However the one thing to note is the the galvinization around the welded area will not be there anymore.
But I do agree in its current state $20k is a little on the steep side.
11-06-2009, 03:23 AM
#73
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If it was done in a proper body shop the welding should be of no concern and coud be stronger than the origonal metal.
I think you guys need to calm down about this and anyone interested needs to just contact the OP. However the one thing to note is the the galvinization around the welded area will not be there anymore.
But I do agree in its current state $20k is a little on the steep side.
I think you guys need to calm down about this and anyone interested needs to just contact the OP. However the one thing to note is the the galvinization around the welded area will not be there anymore.
But I do agree in its current state $20k is a little on the steep side.
Cutting the front crash structure OFF, then welding on another new one IS NOT ACCEPTABLE, I cant think of any reason why this would be. Well yeah i can, because some ******* wants to take 2 wrecks, and marry them together and pass it off as accident damage "professionally" repaired. For the sole reason of screwing someone over to make a few bucks.
I dont know how many different pieces comprise those front crash structure arms, but its a few and they are engineered to be welded together a specific way to form a deformable crash structure. If you just cut those things off by the firewall then weld ones from another car back on im sorry but its no way the same. Sure the weld might be better, but the metal right directly next to the weld maybe weakened. It would never function the way it was intended to in a crash.
And im sorry, but do you know who the people are that do this ****? They work in chop shops in sketchy areas of LA. THIS IS ILLEGAL TOO BTW. You cannot marry two cars together like this. This kind of work is done in shops as quickly as possible. I doubt they use a flat floor as a base, let alone a jig.
I seriously would never even drive a car that was put together this way, and no way in hell would I buy it. Well I would buy it, Ill give the OP $5,000 and ship it out to me, who knows if the engine short block is any good, i would be very cautious about TBF and who knows what else
11-06-2009, 05:40 AM
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But anyway, you're right about the franken body, it should be scrapped. If the soldering job was done properly it could be safe, but there's no way to know that.
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11-06-2009, 09:29 AM
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If it was cone right, the front clip swap shouldn't be concern. It would take away from it's value but it should be jsut as good as before the collision. The problem is that, some shops do $hitty work when it comes to stuff like this and that scares people away. Collision repair, if done right, will get the car back to it's original spec and stay that way for the rest of it's life. Someone should have a good body shop do a PPI on the chasis repairs, just as one would for the rest of the car.
After all, the Holbert car will end up with the same exact repairs as this GTS so, if this car is not worth anything then why bother fixing that one?
After all, the Holbert car will end up with the same exact repairs as this GTS so, if this car is not worth anything then why bother fixing that one?