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Old Aug 6, 2011 | 06:37 AM
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And I still wish I could get some certainty on the Austria Spec..best guesses have been that it is an emissions configuration, a license plate (mounting) thing, or perhaps something with the text on the dash alerts.
M058 Bumpers with impact absorbers
- These are shocks inside bumpers. Same what were used in US model but bumbers themselves are normal ROW version.
M220 Locking differential (40%)
M261 Passenger side mirror electric plain
- Plain means non convex.
M323 Sticker, without ESE-Regulations
- Sticker is weight info sticker at front center of enginebay between hood lock and headlamp shaft. Without ESE means sticker is either missing completely or do not contain reguired weight info for some European countries like Germany. This is strange to see in car destined for Austria.
M395 Light metal wheels forged
- 7" flat disks. '83 MY cars without this option had 16" phone dials.
M474 Sport shock absorbers Bilstein '78-88, red Boge sport '89-95
M475 License plate fastening (series equipment Austria, Finland, Australia)
- Fastening brackets for certain shape plates.
M489 Symbols and insignia in German
- Dash texts etc in german.

There are inconsistencies in PET info vs option sticker vs whats actually installed into car. Its hard to say which if any of them is actually correct.
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Old Aug 6, 2011 | 07:21 AM
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This is a great thread.

Do we know why the series numbers for earlier cars seemed to begin at 00011?

Does this perhaps also apply to the 78 cars? (thinking about Jim's barnfind last weekend of the row 00011 car)
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Old Aug 6, 2011 | 09:55 AM
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I'm getting the information from lots of VIN info from many sources that I've accumulated, together with PET. What does it have ... M494 or M650 or both?
Has M650 sunroof, I don't own this one (yet) so I'm not certain about M494 extra amp, though it would seem to fit with some of the other soundsystem options listed. Thanks for the help!
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My 82 lists Singapore as the country code, and yet it's verified as Australian delivered from a Porsche dealer here in Oz, with appropriate compliance plates. My guess is that mine had been destined for that market, then they got an order for a manual, and had that one ready to go ... and the customer was happy with that car and its options. Maybe yours is a similar story.



That's a good site .. I've bookmarked.
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Old Aug 6, 2011 | 09:59 AM
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M058 Bumpers with impact absorbers
- These are shocks inside bumpers. Same what were used in US model but bumbers themselves are normal ROW version.
M220 Locking differential (40%)
M261 Passenger side mirror electric plain
- Plain means non convex.
M323 Sticker, without ESE-Regulations
- Sticker is weight info sticker at front center of enginebay between hood lock and headlamp shaft. Without ESE means sticker is either missing completely or do not contain reguired weight info for some European countries like Germany. This is strange to see in car destined for Austria.
M395 Light metal wheels forged
- 7" flat disks. '83 MY cars without this option had 16" phone dials.
M474 Sport shock absorbers Bilstein '78-88, red Boge sport '89-95
M475 License plate fastening (series equipment Austria, Finland, Australia)
- Fastening brackets for certain shape plates.
M489 Symbols and insignia in German
- Dash texts etc in german.

There are inconsistencies in PET info vs option sticker vs whats actually installed into car. Its hard to say which if any of them is actually correct.
Thanks, the explanation helps a great deal, I had no clue on the mirror or decal. Happily, I have both types of wheels now, but I bought it with the flats.
THe M475 makes sense, I saw I475 though which I keyed out to be 'brake pads without asbestos'.
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Old Aug 6, 2011 | 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SMTCapeCod
THe M475 makes sense, I saw I475 though which I keyed out to be 'brake pads without asbestos'.
I475 = M475. They are same option code number. For some reason online PET lists certain codes with letter I. I suspect they have something to do with those codes being mandatory for country car was build for. In this case C11 Austria means car must also have M475 to comply with period requlations in Austria. In some cases these Ixxx codes can also be country specific standard options even though they might not have direct connection to mandatory equipment for that particular country. In any case Ixxx is same as Mxxx.

Another thing is that Porsche has used same option number multible times over the years. In some cases even during single model production period. For these cases first thing to check is PET. It lists some options with correct explanation for selected model. In case like M475 PET do not have this info so other means must be used to identify what code means. AFAIK asbestos free brake pads became available at begining of '86 MY at same time when S4 brakes were introduced to ROW cars. This means another possible explanation is more likely correct. Especially as it also makes sense with cars country code.

Originally Posted by Landseer
Do we know why the series numbers for earlier cars seemed to begin at 00011?

Does this perhaps also apply to the 78 cars? (thinking about Jim's barnfind last weekend of the row 00011 car)
Official explanation for 00x1 start is that they wanted to leave space for prototypes and special cars. According to PET those cars do not exist or at least PET doesn't know anything about them. PET is meant to be tool for Porsche dealers which provides information what parts they need to order when they fix used cars. Since VIN's 0001-0010 do not exist for '80 and '81 MY I think its fairly safe to assume those cars were not sold out from factory.

Since PET do not contain information about '78 and '79 MY similar deduction cannot be made directly. Simple reason why VIN list in first post starts from 0001 and not from 0011 is that counting all three market specific VIN sets together gives better total result when sets start from 0001 and 9501. If they started from 0011 and 9511 it would obviously mean 30 cars less were made unless also upper end is adjusted. Upper numbers are available from couple different sources and they seem to make sense. 0011 start for '79 MY is selected for same reason. But there is no solid evidence what was first VIN for each sequence in '78 and '79 MY. New information sources need to be found to solve this.
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Originally Posted by Landseer
This is a great thread ...... .
I agree ... it's great to have a thread devoted to VIN data.

Thanks to Errka for all his research and data collection ...
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Old Sep 2, 2011 | 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Landseer
....Do we know why the series numbers for earlier cars seemed to begin at 00011?

Does this perhaps also apply to the 78 cars? (thinking about Jim's barnfind last weekend of the row 00011 car)
Originally Posted by Vilhuer
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Official explanation for 00x1 start is that they wanted to leave space for prototypes and special cars. According to PET those cars do not exist or at least PET doesn't know anything about them. PET is meant to be tool for Porsche dealers which provides information what parts they need to order when they fix used cars. Since VIN's 0001-0010 do not exist for '80 and '81 MY I think its fairly safe to assume those cars were not sold out from factory.

Since PET do not contain information about '78 and '79 MY similar deduction cannot be made directly. Simple reason why VIN list in first post starts from 0001 and not from 0011 is that counting all three market specific VIN sets together gives better total result when sets start from 0001 and 9501. If they started from 0011 and 9511 it would obviously mean 30 cars less were made unless also upper end is adjusted. Upper numbers are available from couple different sources and they seem to make sense. 0011 start for '79 MY is selected for same reason. But there is no solid evidence what was first VIN for each sequence in '78 and '79 MY. New information sources need to be found to solve this.
Appears the 928 model was not the first Porsche to start with serial# 0011.
The 914/6 did as well. Reference LINK
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Old Sep 21, 2011 | 06:36 AM
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Does any know where all the VIN numbers in a 81 car are located?

I know on the right fender, but can't find them else where. A 944 has for instance 3 places where the VIN is located.
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What can be told about this old car ,thank's

wpojbo925fs862002
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Old Sep 21, 2011 | 11:04 PM
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Old Sep 22, 2011 | 04:03 AM
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No letter o in a vin so its WP0JB0925FS862002

Pet undecoded option list.
92FS862002;WP0JB05;1985;928910;C02/U;M28.44;A28.04;M018I158M347M383M387M490M494M533M650

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018 Sport steering wheel with elevated hub
158 Radio "Monterey" - 86 "Reno" - 87
347 Platinum anodized wheels
383 Sport seat - left
387 Sport seat - right
490 Hi-Fi sound system
494 2 speakers on back shelf
494 Amplifier system
533 Alarm system
650 Sunroof
C02 Equipped with catalytic converter
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Old Sep 22, 2011 | 10:59 AM
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What do I have to do to get my cars VIN# in the master
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Old Sep 22, 2011 | 01:04 PM
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What do I have to do to get my cars VIN# in the master
Mine too.
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Old Sep 22, 2011 | 10:54 PM
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What do I have to do to get my cars VIN# in the master
This makes no sense. What's "the master"?

Your VIN is a normal VIN within the range specified in post 1.
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Sorry I meant to get it onto the registry.
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