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Hi Erkka
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I just noticed that Samuel's euro 82 928 list starts @ 085...
Do you have records of VINs down to WP0ZZZ92ZCS840051 or was this an assumption?
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has the VIN WP0 ZZZ 92 ZCS 840 060; the euro 82 series in this list starts WP0ZZZ92ZCS840051. Consequently I strongly doubt that I have a prototype.
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928 S ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZCS840085 to WP0ZZZ92ZCS841415
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https://rennlist.com/forums/928-forum/367219-number-of-row-and-japanise-cars-in-us-and-canada.html
Based on Carfax records I think its safe to say VIN ranges Austen lists in his book have many problems. 0061 being first normal VIN is one of them for early MY's
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Kim Crumb (previous PCA 928 consultant) published actual production numbers by market in the July 1997 (IIRC) Panorama magazine. It would be interesting to compare the raw numbers to the list of VIN's. Anyone have a copy handy?
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For FOIA requests, you can have them do the research. You just say, "I'm willing to spend X amount of money on research and copy/printing services." They will work until they have reached you limit, ask if you want to spend more, then send you their findings. You could ask for all VINs imported in a certain range in a certain time period and go from there.
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I find it interesting that the GTS's did not follow the "usual" trend of having NA at about half of total model year production for each year.
I am also STUNNED by how many '92 GTS's were built! 955! WOW! That is a LOT...I only saw ONE GTS in the entire 3 weeks I was in Germany/Austria/Switzerland, etc. and it was a '94/'95 (based on the wheels anyway)... You must see '92 GTS's ALL THE TIME over there!
I am also STUNNED by how many '92 GTS's were built! 955! WOW! That is a LOT...I only saw ONE GTS in the entire 3 weeks I was in Germany/Austria/Switzerland, etc. and it was a '94/'95 (based on the wheels anyway)... You must see '92 GTS's ALL THE TIME over there!
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When counting '92 MY GTS made early '93 US model should really be included into '92 total. From mechanical point of view they are basically same cars and US model has less in common with late '93 MY US model than they have with '92 ROW GTS.
Early ROW GTS production was about 1/2 of ROW early S4 volume while in US numbers sold was less than 20% of early US S4 made. In all four years US production was about 1/4 or less of row numbers. What is interesting that so large percentage of US cars were with manual gearbox. Very likely only hardcore fans bought 928 in last years and thats reason behind abnormal ratio.
In ROW markets automatic VS manual ratio is much worse and it can be lowest in last years compared to entire production run. This means its in some sense easier to find 5sp GTS in US than in ROW markets. There is sort of surplus of '92-93 automatic GTS in Europe but way too few 5sp cars compared to demand. It seems price difference between automatic and 5sp is destined to be even greater than it is now. I think its close to $10k now due to weak US$.
Early ROW GTS production was about 1/2 of ROW early S4 volume while in US numbers sold was less than 20% of early US S4 made. In all four years US production was about 1/4 or less of row numbers. What is interesting that so large percentage of US cars were with manual gearbox. Very likely only hardcore fans bought 928 in last years and thats reason behind abnormal ratio.
In ROW markets automatic VS manual ratio is much worse and it can be lowest in last years compared to entire production run. This means its in some sense easier to find 5sp GTS in US than in ROW markets. There is sort of surplus of '92-93 automatic GTS in Europe but way too few 5sp cars compared to demand. It seems price difference between automatic and 5sp is destined to be even greater than it is now. I think its close to $10k now due to weak US$.
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Nothing new unless Rixter has surprising results. Hopefully Brian Long's coming book will sort out all mysteries but more likely it will only repeat old mistakes.
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-forum/458706-new-928-book-coming-out-in-2009-a.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-forum/458706-new-928-book-coming-out-in-2009-a.html
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My RoW MY80 928 (ie 4.5 litre) is 92A0800950, which is outside the block of serial numbers for the plain vanilla 928 given in the list above.
I suspect that each serial number (ie the last four digits) is unique within each model year, and that there are production blocks of US/Canada and RoW cars, as well as for Japan. I don't think that serial numbers would have been duplicated for the different sub types; for instance, there will not be a 92A0800001, 92A0810001 and 92A0820001; nor both a WPOZZZ92ZES840001 and WPOJBO92-ES860001. (That's how I'd assign serial numbers, anyway!) :-)
The fact that some of the blocks of serial numbers for given model years listed above start at 0001 for both the RoW and US/Canada variants says to me that both variants were allocated serial numbers from that block of numbers, not that there were two 0001s, two 0002s, etc, etc.
Does anyone know for certain one way or the other? Has anyone actually seen the same serial number for different variants in the same model year?
I suspect that each serial number (ie the last four digits) is unique within each model year, and that there are production blocks of US/Canada and RoW cars, as well as for Japan. I don't think that serial numbers would have been duplicated for the different sub types; for instance, there will not be a 92A0800001, 92A0810001 and 92A0820001; nor both a WPOZZZ92ZES840001 and WPOJBO92-ES860001. (That's how I'd assign serial numbers, anyway!) :-)
The fact that some of the blocks of serial numbers for given model years listed above start at 0001 for both the RoW and US/Canada variants says to me that both variants were allocated serial numbers from that block of numbers, not that there were two 0001s, two 0002s, etc, etc.
Does anyone know for certain one way or the other? Has anyone actually seen the same serial number for different variants in the same model year?
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Another thing is 1000+ ROW cars in US and Canada which have different number of records in Carfax than their US model twin. Thats too many for it to be simple mistake of puting in wrong VIN. Especially since 13th digit is also different between ROW and US VIN.
Also if one counts together just largest VIN number from each MY total is way way off from 61000+ cars made. Only way to make numbers match is to have separate unique series of VIN's for each market.
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Hi Erkka
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I just noticed that Samuel's euro 82 928 list starts @ 085...
Do you have records of VINs down to WP0ZZZ92ZCS840051 or was this an assumption?
Marton
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has the VIN WP0 ZZZ 92 ZCS 840 060; the euro 82 series in this list starts WP0ZZZ92ZCS840051. Consequently I strongly doubt that I have a prototype.
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928 S ROW, WP0ZZZ92ZCS840085 to WP0ZZZ92ZCS841415
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MY Model Market Smallest VIN Largest VIN Qty Total
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80 928 ROW 92A08000011 - 001192 1182
928 USA+CAN 92A08100011 - 101649 1639
928 S ROW 92A08200011 - 201466 1456 4277