Master VIN thread
09-22-2011, 11:07 PM
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09-30-2011, 08:34 AM
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MY78 confirmation VIN from Porsche
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Official explanation for 00x1 start is that they wanted to leave space for prototypes and special cars. According to PET those cars do not exist or at least PET doesn't know anything about them. PET is meant to be tool for Porsche dealers which provides information what parts they need to order when they fix used cars. Since VIN's 0001-0010 do not exist for '80 and '81 MY I think its fairly safe to assume those cars were not sold out from factory.
Since PET do not contain information about '78 and '79 MY similar deduction cannot be made directly. Simple reason why VIN list in first post starts from 0001 and not from 0011 is that counting all three market specific VIN sets together gives better total result when sets start from 0001 and 9501. If they started from 0011 and 9511 it would obviously mean 30 cars less were made unless also upper end is adjusted. Upper numbers are available from couple different sources and they seem to make sense. 0011 start for '79 MY is selected for same reason. But there is no solid evidence what was first VIN for each sequence in '78 and '79 MY. New information sources need to be found to solve this.
Official explanation for 00x1 start is that they wanted to leave space for prototypes and special cars. According to PET those cars do not exist or at least PET doesn't know anything about them. PET is meant to be tool for Porsche dealers which provides information what parts they need to order when they fix used cars. Since VIN's 0001-0010 do not exist for '80 and '81 MY I think its fairly safe to assume those cars were not sold out from factory.
Since PET do not contain information about '78 and '79 MY similar deduction cannot be made directly. Simple reason why VIN list in first post starts from 0001 and not from 0011 is that counting all three market specific VIN sets together gives better total result when sets start from 0001 and 9501. If they started from 0011 and 9511 it would obviously mean 30 cars less were made unless also upper end is adjusted. Upper numbers are available from couple different sources and they seem to make sense. 0011 start for '79 MY is selected for same reason. But there is no solid evidence what was first VIN for each sequence in '78 and '79 MY. New information sources need to be found to solve this.
Appears the 928 model was not the first Porsche to start with serial# 0011.
The 914/6 did as well. Reference LINK
The 914/6 did as well. Reference LINK
Q: Also, would you happen to know if the VIN serial numbering for MY '78 started at 0000 or 0011?
A: Starting with VIN 928 810 0011
A: Starting with VIN 928 810 0011
09-30-2011, 01:08 PM
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Yes Rob you were right.
Sorry for the confusion Hilton.
Thanks for the link Rob, I filled it out and sent in the pictures.
03-30-2013, 04:40 PM
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Based on http://www.autocheck.com largest '78-79 MY max US VIN's are:
As Autocheck do not have all cars in its database 1139 can still be largest '78 US and Canada model VIN made.
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MY Model Market Smallest VIN Largest VIN Autocheck max ----------------------------------------------------------------- 78 928 USA+CAN 9288200011 - 201139 1137 79 928 USA+CAN 9289200011 - 202285 2285
07-04-2013, 04:53 PM
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Can't edit post #1 anymore so Japanise 1980-84 VIN ranges added in here.
These are just educated guesses. Actual number of cars made is still unknown.
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MY Model Market Smallest VIN Largest VIN Qty Total
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78 928 ROW 9288100011 - 102646 2636
928 USA+CAN 9288200011 - 201139 1129
928 Japan 9288209511 - 209575 65 3830
79 928 ROW 9289100011 - 103059 3049
928 USA+CAN 9289200011 - 202285 2275
928 Japan 9289209511 - 209623 113 5437
80 928 ROW 92A08000011 - 001192 1182
928 USA+CAN 92A08100011 - 101649 1639
928 Japan 92A08109511 - 109666 156
928 S ROW 92A08200011 - 201466 1456 4433
81 928 ROW WP0ZZZ92ZBS800011 - 800657 647
928 USA+CAN WP0JA092_BS820011 - 821668 1658
928 Japan WP0ZZZ92ZBS829511 - 829617 107
928 S ROW WP0ZZZ92ZBS840011 - 841418 1408
928 S Japan WP0ZZZ92ZBS849511 - 849511 1 3821
82 928 ROW WP0ZZZ92ZCS800051 - 800497 447
928 Japan WP0ZZZ92ZCS809551 - 809660 110
928 USA+CAN WP0JA092_CS820051 - 822701 2651
928 S ROW WP0ZZZ92ZCS840051 - 841502 1452 4660
83 928 S ROW WP0ZZZ92ZDS840061 - 841972 1912
928 S Japan WP0ZZZ92ZDS849561 - 849562 2
928 S USA+CAN WP0JB092_DS860061 - 862146 2086 4000
84 928 S/S2 ROW WP0ZZZ92ZES840061 - 842088 2028
928 S Japan WP0ZZZ92ZES849561 - 849620 60
928 S USA+CAN WP0JB092_ES860061 - 863067 3007 5035
85 928 S/S2 ROW WP0ZZZ92ZFS840061 - 842228 2168
928 S Japan WP0ZZZ92ZFS849561 - 849660 100
928 S USA+CAN WP0JB092_FS860061 - 862279 2219 4487
86 928 S/S2 ROW WP0ZZZ92ZGS840061 - 841971 1911
928 S Japan WP0ZZZ92ZGS849561 - 849643 83
928 S USA+CAN WP0JB092_GS860061 - 860937 877
86.5 928 S USA+CAN WP0JB092_GS861001 - 863010 2010 4881
87 928 S4 ROW WP0ZZZ92ZHS840061 - 842244 2184
928 S4 Japan WP0ZZZ92ZHS849561 - 849746 186
928 S4 USA+CAN WP0JB092_HS860061 - 862481 2421 4791
88 928 S4/SE ROW WP0ZZZ92ZJS840061 - 842347 2287
928 CS ROW WP0ZZZ92ZJS845061 - 845070 10
928 S4 Japan WP0ZZZ92ZJS849561 - 849827 267
928 S4 USA+CAN WP0JB092_JS860061 - 861852 1792
928 CS USA+CAN WP0JB092_JS865061 - 865062 2 4358
89 928 S4/CS ROW WP0ZZZ92ZKS840061 - 841331 1271
928 S4/GT ROW WP0ZZZ92ZKS841332 - 842484 1153
928 S4 USA+CAN WP0JB092_KS860061 - 861088 1028
928 S4/GT USA+CAN WP0JB092_KS861089 - 861250 162 3614
90 928 S4/GT ROW WP0ZZZ92ZLS840061 - 842652 2592
928 S4/GT Canada WP0JB092_LS869061 - 869062 2
928 S4/GT USA+CAN WP0JB292_LS860063 - 860517 455 3049
91 928 S4/GT ROW WP0ZZZ92ZMS800061 - 801710 1650
928 S4/GT USA+CAN WP0AA292_MS810061 - 810447 387 2037
92 928 GTS ROW WP0ZZZ92ZNS800061 - 801015 955 955
93.E 928 GTS USA+CAN WP0AA292_PS815061 - 815148 88
93 928 GTS ROW WP0ZZZ92ZPS800061 - 800681 621
93.L 928 GTS USA+CAN WP0AA292_PS820061 - 820162 102 811
94.E 928 GTS USA+CAN WP0AA292_RS820061 - 820079 19
94 928 GTS ROW WP0ZZZ92ZRS800061 - 800583 523
94.L 928 GTS USA+CAN WP0AA292_RS820080 - 820199 120 662
95 928 GTS ROW WP0ZZZ92ZSS800061 - 800459 399
928 GTS USA+CAN WP0AA292_SS820061 - 820137 77 476
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07-04-2013, 06:31 PM
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1981: 108
1982: 110
1983: 2
1984: 60
I couldn't find any 1980 ones - but it could have been a reformatting issue as the PET lookup didn't exactly work easily with the pre-13-digit VINs.
I need to spend some time importing the files into a database.. I have a heap of 951 records too for you which need to be sorted out too. As always, time is the problem
11-05-2013, 09:02 AM
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So is this the last 928 produced?
[..] This Porsche 928 GTS has a Porsche emblem the B-pillar of the driver's door. Engraved: 20th July 1995, the number 61,291 - the production date and the production number. Both data show the Porsche as the last 928 ever built. VIN: WPOZZZ92ZSS800459. Delivered, with 62 kilometers on the clock, to Dr. Wendelin Wiedeking (former Porsche CEO). Mileage in late summer 2012: just over 20,000 kilometers - nothing for such a car. It is still owned by Dr. Ing H.C. F. Porsche AG. This car is in the Porsche Museum.[...]
http://www.curves-magazin.com/Blog/Wolkenatlas
[..] This Porsche 928 GTS has a Porsche emblem the B-pillar of the driver's door. Engraved: 20th July 1995, the number 61,291 - the production date and the production number. Both data show the Porsche as the last 928 ever built. VIN: WPOZZZ92ZSS800459. Delivered, with 62 kilometers on the clock, to Dr. Wendelin Wiedeking (former Porsche CEO). Mileage in late summer 2012: just over 20,000 kilometers - nothing for such a car. It is still owned by Dr. Ing H.C. F. Porsche AG. This car is in the Porsche Museum.[...]
http://www.curves-magazin.com/Blog/Wolkenatlas
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11-07-2013, 03:11 AM
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For USA and Canada yes. WP0ZZZ92ZKS841332 and several other German GT's were very likely done some time before it. ROW and US VIN sets were done independently at same time side by side at production line. Only way to know what was KS861089 position in GT's made list would be to know completion dates of all cars made in that time period in early 1989. But I thinks its safe to say German cars were first. First 13 ROW GT's were all German and 14th was C27 Spain and then 10 more C00 German cars. Factory did WP0ZZZ92ZKS841089 which is C23 Australia S4 automatic probably several months before WP0JB292_KS861089 C36 Canada GT. Last ROW '89 MY was WP0ZZZ92ZKS842484 while last USA/Canada was WP0JB092_KS861250 meaning ROW production was almost double compared to US cars. While both VIN sets started about same time and from 0061 they were far apart some 8 months later when GT production started.
11-07-2013, 04:58 PM
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So is this the last 928 produced?
[..] This Porsche 928 GTS has a Porsche emblem the B-pillar of the driver's door. Engraved: 20th July 1995, the number 61,291 - the production date and the production number. Both data show the Porsche as the last 928 ever built. VIN: WPOZZZ92ZSS800459. Delivered, with 62 kilometers on the clock, to Dr. Wendelin Wiedeking (former Porsche CEO). Mileage in late summer 2012: just over 20,000 kilometers - nothing for such a car. It is still owned by Dr. Ing H.C. F. Porsche AG. This car is in the Porsche Museum.[...]
http://www.curves-magazin.com/Blog/Wolkenatlas
[..] This Porsche 928 GTS has a Porsche emblem the B-pillar of the driver's door. Engraved: 20th July 1995, the number 61,291 - the production date and the production number. Both data show the Porsche as the last 928 ever built. VIN: WPOZZZ92ZSS800459. Delivered, with 62 kilometers on the clock, to Dr. Wendelin Wiedeking (former Porsche CEO). Mileage in late summer 2012: just over 20,000 kilometers - nothing for such a car. It is still owned by Dr. Ing H.C. F. Porsche AG. This car is in the Porsche Museum.[...]
http://www.curves-magazin.com/Blog/Wolkenatlas
WPOZZZ92ZSS800459:
IXD9 painted wheels body color
IXF2 Dash pod leather
IXL5 Root wood center console, door panel and trim inlays with analog clock
IXM9 Turn signal wiper switch in leather
IXN9 Leather sun visor with mirror
IXP9 Leather radio speaker trim rings
IXR7 Rear window washer
IXY9 Headlight dimmer switch in leather
IX22 Dark rootwood selector lever with leather bellows
IX30 Dark rootwood steering wheel
IX32 Dark rootwood Parking Brake Lever (standard with Y60)
IX89 Wheel caps with Porsche crest painted on wheels
I139 Seat Heating System, Left Seat
I239 Different factory tires than default
M249 Automatic Transmission
I340 Seat Heating System, Right Seat
I398 17" Cup Design wheels
M418 Side Protection Moldings
I423 Box for Cassettes and Coins
M437 Comfort Seat - Left - Electrically Adjustable
M438 Comfort Seat - Right - Electrically Adjustable
I488 Inscriptions in German Language
M489 Switches and Insignia in German Language
I499 Sekuriflex Windshield * (83-84)
I513 Back-Support (Lordose) - Right Seat
I537 Seating Position Control for Comfort Seat - Left
I538 Seating Position Control for Comfort Seat - Right
I562 Airbag - Driver's Side and Front Passenger's Side
M573 Air Conditioner
I586 Lumbar support - Left Seat
I595 Rear Spoiler with Color of Car
I614 Preparation of Telephone Installation, Motorola "D-Network"
M650 Electrical Sliding Roof
I935 Seat Cover, Rear - Draped Leather (RLL)
I980 Seat Cover - Draped Leather (Front Seats in Supple Leather).
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11-07-2013, 05:04 PM
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Never really thought about it before- there's all this legend about the Perglanz car being the last 928, vs. the penultimate 928. By VIN it's the 8th-to-last ROW car. Not sure whether there are any U.S. cars built in and amongst those last 8.
11-07-2013, 05:42 PM
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