yet another one bashing the 928...
02-02-2006, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by special tool
I will race ANY 928 with the proper Porsche engine - any mod level. 
I'm always up for a good race.
02-02-2006, 01:44 PM
#32
Originally Posted by D944tech
Denial is a sad thing just for comparison;
But just to put the power in perspective back in 1995 these were some of the performance figures between the 928 and the 1993 968 turbo S which is the climax of the 20 year development of the 924/944 Platform.
1995 Porsche 928 GTS
Displacement 5397 cc
Power 345.0 bhp @ 5700 rpm
Torque 368.8 ft lbs @ 4250 rpm
Weight 3594 lbs
1993 Porsche 968 Turbo S
Displacement 2990cc
Power 305.0 bhp @ 5,400 rpm
Torque 369 ft lbs @ 3,000 rpm
Weight: 2,865 lbs
But just to put the power in perspective back in 1995 these were some of the performance figures between the 928 and the 1993 968 turbo S which is the climax of the 20 year development of the 924/944 Platform.
1995 Porsche 928 GTS
Displacement 5397 cc
Power 345.0 bhp @ 5700 rpm
Torque 368.8 ft lbs @ 4250 rpm
Weight 3594 lbs
1993 Porsche 968 Turbo S
Displacement 2990cc
Power 305.0 bhp @ 5,400 rpm
Torque 369 ft lbs @ 3,000 rpm
Weight: 2,865 lbs
LOL.........they made what, a dozen of those cars?
A 928GT would own a production 968 or 951 of any year.
02-02-2006, 02:24 PM
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Why are we arguing THIS? To each his own!
It is a matter of personal preference. I really loved my 924, except it was not as pretty as my 928s. The 944/951/968 are great cars as well, just not for me. I can't get over the exposed bumpers and "greenhouse hatches". But that is just "my" personal preferences.
It is a matter of personal preference. I really loved my 924, except it was not as pretty as my 928s. The 944/951/968 are great cars as well, just not for me. I can't get over the exposed bumpers and "greenhouse hatches". But that is just "my" personal preferences.
02-02-2006, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by special tool
I will race ANY 928 with the proper Porsche engine - any mod level.
Your power to weight is 4.7 (2510/533) the best 928 i have seen is appz 6.7 (3750/556)..thats a appx typical street weight of a 928s4
Your ratio will when every time of the line What does yoru car do in the 1/4 mile? or 0-60 for reference?
If ridden in Joes car (Dfastests) here in Vegas, it moves i will say that!
02-02-2006, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by special tool
I will race ANY 928 with the proper Porsche engine - any mod level.
CT - whos out there. Gretch? Can you go to Wisconsin?
02-02-2006, 02:50 PM
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This keeps rolling through my head...""Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing."
people make poor decisions based on misinformation all the time...
people make poor decisions based on misinformation all the time...
02-02-2006, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe F
Paul,
I hope you didn't tell him all 928's are finished on the inside just like yours
I hope you didn't tell him all 928's are finished on the inside just like yours
I would have told him pretty much anything he wanted to hear
But he turned out to be an Ostrich fan so it was all good
Paul
02-02-2006, 03:27 PM
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Lets see, list doesn't look too bad even when 944 CUP is added comparing stock vs. stock, all ROW cars of course:
Now if we include 928 CUP it has better kg/hp than 944 CUP.
Modified vs. modified is interesting also. We know it's possible to get 928 down to under 1300 kg and 750 hp out of rhe engine with twin turbos. AFAIK both conditions haven't met in one single car yet. But it's perfectly doable and only matter of time. 1140/533 = 2.14 for 951 and 1300/750 = 1,73 for some future 928. 951 would need over 650 hp to be on same kg/hp level then. Possibly doable but then so is 1000 hp 928.
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Model Year L HP KG KG/HP --------------------------------------------------------------- 968 Turbo RS 1993-94 3,0 337 1350 4,01 944 CUP 1988 2,5 290 1180 4,07 968 Turbo S 1993-94 3,0 305 1300 4,26 928 CS 1988-89 5 320 1480 4,63 928 GTS 1992-95 5,4 350 1620 4,63 928 GT 1989-91 5 330 1580 4,79 928 S 1980-83 4,7 300 1450 4,83 928 S 1984 4,7 310 1500 4,84 928 S 1985-86 4,7 310 1530 4,94 928 S4 1987-91 5 320 1580 4,94 944 Turbo 1989-91 2,5 250 1280 5,12 944 Turbo S 1988 2,5 250 1360 5,44 968 CS 1993-95 3,0 240 1320 5,50 944 Turbo Cabrio 1991 2,5 250 1390 5,56 924 Carrera GT 1981 2 210 1180 5,62 968 1992-95 3,0 240 1370 5,71 944 Turbo 1985-88 2,5 220 1280 5,82 968 Cabrio 1992-95 3,0 240 1440 6,00 928 1978-82 4,5 240 1450 6,04 944 S2 1989-91 3,0 211 1340 6,35 944 S2 Cabrio 1989-91 3,0 211 1390 6,59 924 Turbo 1981-84 2 177 1180 6,67 944 S 1987-89 2,5 190 1280 6,74 924 Turbo 1979-80 2 170 1180 6,94 944 1982 2,5 163 1180 7,24 944 1989 2,7 165 1210 7,33 944 1983-88 2,5 163 1210 7,42 924 S 1988 2,5 160 1210 7,56 924 S 1986 2,5 150 1190 7,93 924 S 1987 2,5 150 1210 8,07 924 1976-81 2 125 1080 8,64 924 1982-85 2 125 1130 9,04
Modified vs. modified is interesting also. We know it's possible to get 928 down to under 1300 kg and 750 hp out of rhe engine with twin turbos. AFAIK both conditions haven't met in one single car yet. But it's perfectly doable and only matter of time. 1140/533 = 2.14 for 951 and 1300/750 = 1,73 for some future 928. 951 would need over 650 hp to be on same kg/hp level then. Possibly doable but then so is 1000 hp 928.
02-02-2006, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by RolexNJ
Sorry to interject here on you. But let me say that the thread you listed above is my thread. I orginally started the thread because my beautiful 1989 944T 3.0L 8V was stolen from me!! However, I would "never" bash any 928s. I love the Shark very much! Because my car was stolen I'm now "possibly", and that's a big one too, considering buying a 928 S4/GT and doing it up. I just wanted to make sure here that I didnt get any slack for someone else saying anything bad about you guys. I am pro-Shark baby!
For those of you who haven't seen my car, you can visit my web site. It's such ashame it was taken from me, especially after 2 very long years of working on it, the money invested, but more so because it was the car I always dreamed of building up. Also, we were very close to raising the bar on it's performance level too, dammit! You can visit it at www.robertricciardi.com
SharkSkin: Thanks for the compliment too. "If" I ever do get a Shark, I would build it up big time!
Cheers,
Rob
For those of you who haven't seen my car, you can visit my web site. It's such ashame it was taken from me, especially after 2 very long years of working on it, the money invested, but more so because it was the car I always dreamed of building up. Also, we were very close to raising the bar on it's performance level too, dammit! You can visit it at www.robertricciardi.com
SharkSkin: Thanks for the compliment too. "If" I ever do get a Shark, I would build it up big time!
Cheers,
Rob
02-02-2006, 04:31 PM
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Table does not mention of the US spec. 85-86 models...only the 310 HP 4.7 Euro is shown for 85-86 years, 5.0 litre engines start in 87 with S4 models...kind of odd. 
02-02-2006, 04:56 PM
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Not odd at all really since it only lists ROW models. 968 Turbo's, 944 Cup and 928 CS were all ROW only. It's true list is missing '86 MY 32V ROW S. If one would make US only list it would be even better for 928 as GT and GTS would be on top I believe. Considering door bars, bumper shocks, catalytic converters and other emission equipment weight about the same for all models 928 will probably have larger margin compared to 951's.
968 Turbo's, 944 Cup and 928 CS were all ROW only. It's true list is missing '86 MY 32V ROW S. If one would make US only list it would be even better for 928 as GT and GTS would be on top I believe. Considering door bars, bumper shocks, catalytic converters and other emission equipment weight about the same for all models 928 will probably have larger margin compared to 951's.
02-02-2006, 06:45 PM
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I'm not throwing gas on the fire here, but at least the 951 guys seem a LOT more willing to prove their mettle on the track and at DE's than the 928 guys do. In my experience here in the midwest, its a pretty rare day that you see anyone in a 928 on the track, much less passing anybody. By comparison, there are usually about as many 951's as there are 911's at the local DE's. I'm not saying that the 928 isn't capable of it, but you sure don't see many doing it.
928's are a unique experience, and exude more "Porscheness" than the 944/968's do, but I can honestly say (in my opinion, at least) that both cars will get you to your destination in equal style. For all the "mine's faster than yours" bantering going on between the two forums now, I will promise that the driver makes a much bigger difference than the car does, at least on the track. I've driven both models enough to say that I really think the lighter weight of the 951 makes it a lot easier to drive faster on the track than any hp advantage a 928 can have, but it boils down to how the driver uses the capabilities of the car. Its a good bit easier (again, in my opinion) to make a 951 "overacheive" than it is a 928. Ask some of the 911 track guys who have been steamrolled by a run of the mill 951, they usually aren't happy about it. Ask, at the same time, how many times they've been passed by a 928...
Most 928 owners feel isolated, even within the Porsche community. If you think its bad for 928 owners, try owning a 968 sometime... you'd amazed at how often I hear "what the heck is that" or "never heard of it before". Trust me, we are much closer related to each other than y'all think! lol
I like (and own) both, so I think I can speak with some authority on the subject. We'd be a lot better off fighting the vette's, vipers and stangs than we would be by dividing our own house.
Regards,
928's are a unique experience, and exude more "Porscheness" than the 944/968's do, but I can honestly say (in my opinion, at least) that both cars will get you to your destination in equal style. For all the "mine's faster than yours" bantering going on between the two forums now, I will promise that the driver makes a much bigger difference than the car does, at least on the track. I've driven both models enough to say that I really think the lighter weight of the 951 makes it a lot easier to drive faster on the track than any hp advantage a 928 can have, but it boils down to how the driver uses the capabilities of the car. Its a good bit easier (again, in my opinion) to make a 951 "overacheive" than it is a 928. Ask some of the 911 track guys who have been steamrolled by a run of the mill 951, they usually aren't happy about it. Ask, at the same time, how many times they've been passed by a 928...
Most 928 owners feel isolated, even within the Porsche community. If you think its bad for 928 owners, try owning a 968 sometime... you'd amazed at how often I hear "what the heck is that" or "never heard of it before". Trust me, we are much closer related to each other than y'all think! lol
I like (and own) both, so I think I can speak with some authority on the subject. We'd be a lot better off fighting the vette's, vipers and stangs than we would be by dividing our own house.
Regards,
02-02-2006, 07:01 PM
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M21 - cool man. My sister lives in Philly.
If that is your engine in your avatar, I will give you 3 cars in the 1/4 on street tires.
Weight is REAL - I have corner scales
HP is real - multiple dynoed car - made 395 RWHP today on 100% pump fuel
Car has 3.875 R&P
If that is your engine in your avatar, I will give you 3 cars in the 1/4 on street tires.
Weight is REAL - I have corner scales
HP is real - multiple dynoed car - made 395 RWHP today on 100% pump fuel
Car has 3.875 R&P