FBIII

The 928 is not a drag car nor is it the ultimate fast car either. It's a great car and I love mine dearly. Heck, I've owned for 12 years! But, com'on, you have got to give-up on the dream.[/QUOTE] Very well put Jim.

Jim Nowak

You can buy a 210 E55 and install a positive displacement supercharger and run 11's for under $30,000 total investment. However, the newer 211 supercharged E55's are still over $60,000 for a used 2003.

Herr-Kuhn

O/N...now let's not make too many 4.5 vs 5.0 liter comparisons now! I never build the GM for max power, it wasn't the goal, honest. That will be the goal with the S4 twin...I just still can't decide...header pipes or logs. I have all the plumbing routes worked out (wait until you see this setup...)...still working over exact turbo location and manifold design. I don't see why two nice logs won't flow out 600-650+ HP with the right turbos.

Hey, Richard I have another Vectra for Germany this time...I'll be driving all the way from Hanover to Zurich...might stop over in the German Alps if I can find a place to stay for the night. Last time I found the Opel very stable. I love the way you pick up a rental car in Germany and it comes with a certification card documenting the tires on the car, etc. Half the **** on the roads here would never pass German inspection standards.

Gnarly 928

Hi, Dave
An interesting thread here. We all have 'expectations' and fantasies about what we're gonna do...but it isn't as easy to pull off as it is to "say". Sure, you pobably will build your car and take it to the new track, eventually. And perhaps you will be able to "mess with the 911s", eventually. But be aware that so far, only one 928 actually DOES mess with 911s, almost every time: Mark Anderson...
There are a few more of us 928ers who're trying. A few who've stepped up and 'put it on the line'. But it ain't frikken easy to 'produce'.
Marc and Susan Thomas actually did join the very exclusive "200mph Club" in the White Car..Maybe eventually, George will be there, too. He is producing some very good results. Others are doing those ORR events successfully, also, with verifyable results that do us 928ers proud.
There are a few (relativly) 928s running in races around the US, and some are having good success. But getting results in races is not just a matter of 'committing' to doing so. I know this from personal experience.
A few years back, I 'decided' if Mark Anderson could do it, so could I...Well, I've been at it for three seasons, with very good equipment and I've come from the rear of the field to the front 1/3rd in most races...Progress, but so far,only Mark is beating those pesky 911s with any consistency...Joe Fan is close behind him..
We did some ORR, also, with the Devek-powered stroker GT. Got a few SS class wins and some radar times in the high 180s, & even almost the 190s.... but 200mph, verified? Nope! Not enough 'stones'...Not quite there, though it is easy to say " we could have done' it...hee hee.
I'll still be beating Mark Anderson, some day soon, too...(yeah, right..)
Don Hanson

Adam C

M21 - you're dreaming. The e55 is a wickedly fast car - ask me how I know.

Old & New

Um, that's the point! I think "no stock 928S4" would be making too many comparisons, don't you? Let's start by excluding the 89 five speed...

What kind of numbers do you expect between 4500 and 6000 RPM on your next project? Just curious about that range since it represents real-world maximum acceleration, not "drivability" or "roll on performance", etc.

blau928

John,

Lots of places in the Alps, depending on which route you take.. Garmisch is not bad, you could also stay on Lake Constance near Freiburg.. Another Vectra... man you must like Opels.. Try a 525 TDS, or even a new 320 TDS.. You can get them to rent pretty cheaply... The dealer that used to service my 7 series, and also my S-Class used to use SIXT rentals as their service loaners when I lived there. try them on the net, you may get a better deal than the Vectra.

To Don's point, going 180mph or above is not easy. Most race tracks are not long enough for the cars to get up to that speed. This is the reason I have mentioned numerous times to many people that you can go faster on the public roads in Germany. For top speed runs, it provides a better training environment in which to safely drive at sustained elevated speeds. Racing around a track is entirely different that driving at 180+ mph for several minutes, or even 30 seconds. You need a very long road. (In any car.)

Don,

You have reinforced an excellent point.

This E55 vs 928 is becoming such a blah story... Apples and oranges... Oh well, wouldn't be the first time this happened on this board....

TAREK

This thread is proof that a lot of us have so much passion for the 928, that we've become completely disillusioned about its limitations.

To those who claim the 928 is the better car, I have AN OFFER YOU CAN"T REFUSE:

Take all cars in my signature (YES ALL OF THEM, including the 911) PLUS a large number of performance parts, including supercharger kits, intercoolers and stroker pistons, and give me that brand new Mercedes in return

any takers?

Gnarly 928

[QUOTE=blau928]John,

To Don's point, going 180mph or above is not easy. Most race tracks are not long enough for the cars to get up to that speed. This is the reason I have mentioned numerous times to many people that you can go faster on the public roads in Germany. For top speed runs, it provides a better training environment in which to safely drive at sustained elevated speeds. Racing around a track is entirely different that driving at 180+ mph for several minutes, or even 30 seconds. You need a very long road. (In any car.)

Don,

You have reinforced an excellent point.

It takes around 2 miles to get up to 180 in a 928, at 6000' elevation..a N.A. 928, that is. Once up to speed, checking out the instruments, feeling the car, assessing the wind and working on your courage takes another ten miles of your road. It takes another couple of miles to 190...remember, a mile at that speed is just ~20 seconds of road time..We made the high 190s a few times, but as Marc and Susan Thomas will attest, everything has to be "just right" to keep that pedal pressed down after about 170...and to hold it to the floor for perhaps 3 miles..(just under a minute's accelerating time from just loafing along at 175) takes a ton of confidence...or a complete dumb-head.. in an 'iffy' situation. Best to have lots of clear road...yes. Not too many dumb-heads running at that speed...anymore..(The airborne Mustang at Elko comes to mind)
Don Hanson

Old & New

TAKEK, I don't know that even three of each of your cars would add up to the price of that MB

TAREK

My point exactly. You get what you pay for . But hey if someone feels the 928 is teh better car, imagine how much better 6 whole 928's (and a couple in parts) plus the 911 are!!!

worf928

Can the e55 reproduce the sound of a 928GT with RMB?

Jim bailey - 928 International

Tarek good point ,Is a $250,000 Aston Martin V-12 100 times better than my old very brown 1980 ?? .....Nicole do not answer That !

928SS

does the AM have a cup holder???

Ron_H

I have a difficult time comprehending what the amount of money has to do with it. Is a supermodel worth more than your wife? I doubt it unless you only expect to live another 5 minutes. What gets you off? If I had unlimited funds in the bank, I would search for a nice GTS. It rings my chimes, and I don't give a hoot whether or not it rings anyone else's chimes, because I must drive and live with it, not them. And I definitely don't care if someone else's fartmobile will beat my 928 by 2/10s of a second to sixty mph. Sheesh !!! Get a grip.