Well well .. let me put my 2c down here. I love the 928, S4 and GT are the best looking, handling and all around. Now they are getting dated (suspension leaves something to be desired, engine a bit rough around the edges, interior is perfect in looks though it could be improved in the "feel" and material department... Porsche should talk to Audi a bit.. blah blah). But then at the end of the day, it is a nice car, not an airplane (aka new generation Mercedes, Audi and BMW... i hate all those buttons, computers and distractions...) I will keep my 87 S4, maybe add an 89GT, and 91 GT and S4 and close the books on my 928 collection. But one thing is for sure, my next 928s will be coming from Europe.. They were the race machines.... US spec'd cars are tooooo sensible

 

Currently i have more power than both the CLS500 and 645 and am 800 and 600 lbs lighter than those respectively. I have more power and speed than i can realistically use.

But if you want to include the CLS55 then lets compare it to the equivalent 928 MSS (murf super shark). I think you will find the 928 will come out on top in that race too. Also the back seat in the CLS and BMW are both tight and will only satisfy children. Last time i checked the MSS option cost 7K, I think the full AMG upgrade is much more as the handling package on the CLS i drove was 5K.

There is one category where the 928 loses and that is the CLS has a glass sunroof, a very nice touch.

 

I wouldn't make that bet! A CLS 55 will run around 12.0 - 12.2 at the track. Has anyone run a Murf shark at the track yet?

 

I'll take the bet. (And I don't even have an MSS.) The CLS is what? 1000 pounds heavier than a 928?

 

You got me. What is time on top gear?

 

Be careful....E55's with chips & slicks run high 11's in the 1/4.....E55's are basically the same chassis as the CLS55 with a different body....typically a CLS is slightly quicker than an E55? Don't get me wrong I love 928's & plan on upgrading mine in the future....but it is not fair to compare a brand new AMG design to a 20 year+ old designed 928....in its day hardly anything was faster.... The 928 was the Carrera GT of today!
http://www.dragtimes.com/results.php...arch+DragTimes

 

Exactly. It's also hard for people to comprehend just how quick the new AMG's have become. You could not duplicate the times the AMG's run with a manual 928 tranny...even if you had the power. However, the AMG's will run great times all day long without effort. The AMG's launch and shift gears so quickly that you don't stand a chance against one in the 1/4 mile.

I hope this puts it in perspective:

Stock E55 vs modified supercharged Ford Mustang Cobra

 

"Exactly. It's also hard for people to comprehend just how quick the new AMG's have become. You could not duplicate the times the AMG's run with a manual tranny. However, the AMG's will run great times all day long without effort. The AMG's launch and shift gears so quickly that you don't stand a chance against one in the 1/4 mile."

Oh i guarantee you that you could smoke an AMG in the 1/4 mile if you added the right nitrous setup. Don't know how long the drivetrain would last at 800hp....but a 10 sec 928 would be very possible with a progressive multistage fogger setup.

Even a turbo making equivelant power to a SC 928 would be significantly faster because it would get much better launch traction(all the boost comes on at midrange, when the tires are far less likely to lose traction)...so using the SC'd cars as the 'ultimate' example of 1/4 mile 928 performance is not exactly what i'd call wise.

No one has ever set up a Porsche V-8 for optimal drag use, so we don't really know what they're capable of.

 

190 mph run in an E55

11.25 @ 129.45 in an E55

 

I will take that bet as it was already won. You can always find tricked out examples Jim that will back your point but on the whole the 928 still rules! The MB's have speed limiters that are being overrun by these eamples you show. I like the real world examples;

From Old & News's personal experience -

The first pull was from 80, starting with me about five car lengths behind him. Hit fourth gear and we were off! I pulled up on him and was beside him inside of fourth gear. I went into fifth and let off when I was five lengths ahead of him, as we were closing in on a group of cars. We trimmed our speed to get through the pack and had another nice opening in front of us. Again from 80, but with me in the lead... This time I kept it planted through fourth and fifth until he was a good ten car lengths behind. I backed off and let him pass.......

https://rennlist.com/forums/showthre...&highlight=amg



The 928 is lighter, wider, lower and better suspended with eibach/bilstein and some of the new 18" wheel packages than most cars you can think of. But for a one-off against whatever you can dream up I'll take the devek white car! or mark andersons race machine.

 

NOS Proshot Twin Fogger II 2 stage nitrous system.

Want an extra 500hp?

There's your ticket.

 

I don't find the 928S4's performance really all that impressive by today's standards. In fact, my 93 Audi S4 is an all around quicker car...now it is modified so that isn't totally fair. But to think a 2.2 liter turbo 5 can perform better than a 5.0 liter V8 is pretty amazing. The mid range accelleration in the stock 928S4 feels weak to me, but my other 928s have/had a lot more torque and I'm sure this contributes significantly.

15 years ago I would say the performance was very good, but by today's standards I have to say it is on the low end of the spectrum, specifically in mid range accelleration. Top end is a different story, as the car really shines there.

 

Another shining example of a discussion that is entirely lopsided in terms of what is being pointed out here.

FYI,
1. The rear seat room in a CLS allows 4 adults of at least 6ft height in the car quite comfortably.
2. The AMG version is quite fast, and if you remove the V/Max limiter, it will go over 155mph quite easily.
3. If you spend the amount of money on any 928 that a CLS AMG model costs, it can be made to significantly outperform a standard CLS55 except in the rear passenger accomodation.
4. How many of you have actually driven your 928's or other car over 160mph?
5. 1/4 mile times are only interesting in the USA, and meaningless in the rest of the world
6. George in Norcal has driven his Murphed GTS to over 175+ mph in the open road race in Nevada.
7. The Tilo car has been verified at speed and on the track of being able to consume distances quite quickly.
8. There are other modified 928's that have verifiably gone over 200+ mph.
9. You guys should keep hearsay to just that.
10. The magazines are not gospel.... Try some of that stuff yourself, instead of listening to so many magazine tests..

Mamma mia, Stick to the facts here fellows..!

 

I guess I'm from the old school, but if performance is lacking in mid range as opposed to top end, why not "do it with gears"?

Personally, I like the overall perfromance of my '86.5; over 80 is fine, under 80 is fine, off a line is OK. I wanted a 2.72 final drive, but Marc talked me out of that because I would need to change all the gears in the box. I live with it knowing it excells at what it was designed to do: long range high speed travel, not grocery getting. I sat in an SL55 and got back in my 928 and liked it better. Seats are better, ergonomics are simpler and better, I like it better. I think I'll put the money into a yacht with an all girl crew.

Richard said:
/4 mile times are only interesting in the USA, and meaningless in the rest of the world"

Thank you Richard. Right to the point. This is a GT machine.

 

I love my 928 but I really don't see how it can hold up to todays standards in luxury GT cars. It is simply from a different era albeit with tuning possiblities than can make it eclipse or keep up with most of this era.

What makes my 928 a better car in my mind is the bargain that it is even when you include maintenance and repair. E55's cost upwards of 70 grand new at the dealership and they do not have much personality. My 92 500E was like a four door 928 to me and I liked it fine but it was no 928. In comparison to the E55 though, the 500E has more personality or rough and ready quality. Maybe it just has to do with something being new, like a child, it just takes time for one to see its personality.

As for some of these other cars being mentioned, they are solid six figure cars and I'm sorry but for six figures my doors better scissor and I want 12 cylinders behind me.