928 vs. todays competition
09-23-2005, 04:03 PM
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Jim,
I would be hard pressed to trade my old S4 for a new AM for sentimental reasons...
However, if someone just said choose, and you shall receive, a new DB9, or a new Vanquish on a very brown 1980 928, It would be an obvious choice.
Tarek,
On the bunch or 928's & 911 trade for an E55, I would give you an E55 if your 911 were a Ruf CTR2 S. How about it..? Mish all those parts into a CTR 2 S, and you get a brand spanking new E55...!
I would be hard pressed to trade my old S4 for a new AM for sentimental reasons...
However, if someone just said choose, and you shall receive, a new DB9, or a new Vanquish on a very brown 1980 928, It would be an obvious choice.
Tarek,
On the bunch or 928's & 911 trade for an E55, I would give you an E55 if your 911 were a Ruf CTR2 S. How about it..? Mish all those parts into a CTR 2 S, and you get a brand spanking new E55...!
09-23-2005, 04:11 PM
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AdamC- Dreaming what?
That with a 250hp 1st stage/ 500hp second stage nitrous fogger kit that any 928 would crush an E55?
LOL, i don't think so.
Do the math....78 928, 214hp + 500= 714hp.
I don't know how long it would last, but it would CRUSH an E55.
That with a 250hp 1st stage/ 500hp second stage nitrous fogger kit that any 928 would crush an E55?
LOL, i don't think so.
Do the math....78 928, 214hp + 500= 714hp.
I don't know how long it would last, but it would CRUSH an E55.
09-23-2005, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Ron_H
... If I had unlimited funds in the bank, I would search for a nice GTS. It rings my chimes, and I don't give a hoot whether or not it rings anyone else's chimes, because I must ...
Tarek, I'll do the reverse of your 'deal.' I would not trade my three 928s for a new e55. (I would let the '89 GT go for a new e55 in a straight trade though. (Of course, I'd sell the e55, buy another '89GT and put the remainder away to help pay for CarChick's C6 Z06.) Like Ron I know what I like (and what CarChick likes) and it ain't a four-door sitting' upright sedan no matter what kind of lump is under the bonnet.))
09-23-2005, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by tv
But the bottom line is that the 928 (at least my very potent euro) still wins in the looks category, kills in the sound category, and can't be matched for performance. The CLS500 and 645 are some of the best cars available now unless you jump up to new exotics and they can't match the 21 year old 928 masterpiece. I drove mine last night and it is such an event (my custom exhaust has a lot to do with it) that thrills all the senses. All of us here that own one of these rare jewels should appreciate the experience and keep our cars in the best possible condition to show others what a group of very talented car builders achieved a generation ago.
No matter how fast and well built modern cars can get they will never age as well as older cars simply because reliability in the long term has been thrown away from the engineers' desk by salesmen. Brand value has taken over factual/real value and there will never be another car as "valuable" as the 928.
09-23-2005, 04:38 PM
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supermodel for my wife?? like liz hurley, or GISELE BUNDCHEN?? hmmmmm.... is this supposed to be a trick question??
why choose? have one of each!! I have no problem having my garage and bedroom being "well stocked" although I suspect it wouldn't be long before I was living in the garage if my wife and a couple of supermodels occupied my house...
why choose? have one of each!! I have no problem having my garage and bedroom being "well stocked"
although I suspect it wouldn't be long before I was living in the garage if my wife and a couple of supermodels occupied my house...
09-23-2005, 05:30 PM
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Put up or stop the oral diarrhea.. It's preposterous...!
That with a 250hp 1st stage/ 500hp second stage nitrous fogger kit that any 928 would crush an E55?
LOL, i don't think so.
Do the math....78 928, 214hp + 500= 714hp.
I don't know how long it would last, but it would CRUSH an E55.
LOL, i don't think so.
Do the math....78 928, 214hp + 500= 714hp.
I don't know how long it would last, but it would CRUSH an E55.
So let's get this straight... This hobbled together bit of parts that will increase the power output of a stock 4.5 Liter CIS motor by 300% will crush a brand new E55.
LUNACY 
You (M21) bring me such a car, prepared by you, "Oh mighty hot rod builder that can get the $800 kit on Ebay," get the 78 928 to lay down 714hp on a dyno, and we can race. (not to 60mph) But you creaming me, obliterating me in that oh so lowly E55 over a distance of 65 miles, or 100 Km. A real race, not this oh, "I hit 150mph once in my life crap."
If you can "cream" me in an E55, I will buy you the E55, and pay for your 928 as well...
Put up or stop the oral diarrhea.. It's preposterous...!
09-23-2005, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by TAREK
This thread is proof that a lot of us have so much passion for the 928, that we've become completely disillusioned about its limitations.
Originally Posted by Ron_H
I have a difficult time comprehending what the amount of money has to do with it.
I ,for one, like others on this board am old enough to have ridden in a 928 when it was brand new in the early 80's. I remember sitting in a 928S4 in a showroom when it was introduced and looking at the window sticker and thinking WOW. The 928 was THE KING of the road throughout the 80's. A lambo was a poster and a ferrari (TR) was a garage queen. Don't forget its competitors were the 12 cylinder offerings not the jalpa or 308/328.
The fact of the matter is the 928 was so well built that it still hangs with most top performers today. How many of todays cars can actually accerlerate thru a tight corner w/o a complaint?? What do the other exotics look like with the same mileage??
I am the guy who drove both the merc and the 928 back to back. I can objectively say my euro lh is superior in every category except what others are willing to pay. Too many people pay TOO much attention to $$$ and that is why a skank like paris hilton is in the news so much. An E55 is just a classy wrx - a box with too much power. Its not a work of art like the 928.
09-23-2005, 05:50 PM
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Blau- Mr. M21,
"So let's get this straight... This hobbled together bit of parts that will increase the power output of a stock 4.5 Liter CIS motor by 300% will crush a brand new E55. LUNACY"
There's nothing 'hobbled' about a bone stock 928 with a 2 stage fogger kit installed....unless you consider the pro stock race cars that run the same setup at dragstrips across the US as 'hobbled' together.
"ou (M21) bring me such a car, prepared by you, "Oh mighty hot rod builder that can get the $800 kit on Ebay,""
Do a search on ebay for 'nitrous kits', and within 2 weeks you'll find a 2 stage kit for $800 or less.
"get the 78 928 to lay down 714hp on a dyno"
Why bother? Unless we're racing on a dyno...
" (not to 60mph) But you creaming me, obliterating me in that oh so lowly E55 over a distance of 65 miles, or 100 Km."
I'd happily race you in such a car in a 1/4 mile. I'd even go so far as to run a standing mile against an E55 in a progressive nitrous equipped shark.
"A real race"
A 1/4 mile is a 'real race'. Regardless, stop moving the goalposts.
"not this oh, "I hit 150mph once in my life crap.""
Ummm, when did i say once? Ifin' i had to take a stab at it, including all cars i've owned/driven, i'd say it's more like a dozen times(and sometimes much faster than 150, btw). My daddy is very rich you see, and he's had some truly awesome cars, and i've driven all of them. His 67 L-88 Stingray was without a doubt the fastest street legal car i've ever driven.
"If you can "cream" me in an E55, I will buy you the E55, and pay for your 928 as well..."
Well i don't own a 79, but if you're willing to take that same bet against my 83 928S with a two stage kit, i'll happily take that bet at any dragstrip in the tri-state area(Pa, NJ, Del).
While we're there you can watch all the little 9 second ricers that ARE 'hobbled together' so you can get a true perspective of what FAST really is(and for just how little money such ETs can be achieved).
The E55 is a nice car, but is HARDLY the be all end all of performance cars, and when you're talking about modified cars, it's really nothing to brag about.
11 second mustangs, camaros, corvettes, Grand Nationals, Cyclones, and even freakin' hondas grow on trees at any drag strip in the US.
I hate to bruise your ego, but the E55 when compared to all manner of strip prepped cars is absolutely nothing special, and compared to a new Z06 that costs what, 30k less, it's nothing special at all.
Beyond that, the E55 is really pretty ugly.
"So let's get this straight... This hobbled together bit of parts that will increase the power output of a stock 4.5 Liter CIS motor by 300% will crush a brand new E55. LUNACY"
There's nothing 'hobbled' about a bone stock 928 with a 2 stage fogger kit installed....unless you consider the pro stock race cars that run the same setup at dragstrips across the US as 'hobbled' together.
"ou (M21) bring me such a car, prepared by you, "Oh mighty hot rod builder that can get the $800 kit on Ebay,""
Do a search on ebay for 'nitrous kits', and within 2 weeks you'll find a 2 stage kit for $800 or less.
"get the 78 928 to lay down 714hp on a dyno"
Why bother? Unless we're racing on a dyno...
" (not to 60mph) But you creaming me, obliterating me in that oh so lowly E55 over a distance of 65 miles, or 100 Km."
I'd happily race you in such a car in a 1/4 mile. I'd even go so far as to run a standing mile against an E55 in a progressive nitrous equipped shark.
"A real race"
A 1/4 mile is a 'real race'. Regardless, stop moving the goalposts.
"not this oh, "I hit 150mph once in my life crap.""
Ummm, when did i say once? Ifin' i had to take a stab at it, including all cars i've owned/driven, i'd say it's more like a dozen times(and sometimes much faster than 150, btw). My daddy is very rich you see, and he's had some truly awesome cars, and i've driven all of them. His 67 L-88 Stingray was without a doubt the fastest street legal car i've ever driven.
"If you can "cream" me in an E55, I will buy you the E55, and pay for your 928 as well..."
Well i don't own a 79, but if you're willing to take that same bet against my 83 928S with a two stage kit, i'll happily take that bet at any dragstrip in the tri-state area(Pa, NJ, Del).
While we're there you can watch all the little 9 second ricers that ARE 'hobbled together' so you can get a true perspective of what FAST really is(and for just how little money such ETs can be achieved).
The E55 is a nice car, but is HARDLY the be all end all of performance cars, and when you're talking about modified cars, it's really nothing to brag about.
11 second mustangs, camaros, corvettes, Grand Nationals, Cyclones, and even freakin' hondas grow on trees at any drag strip in the US.
I hate to bruise your ego, but the E55 when compared to all manner of strip prepped cars is absolutely nothing special, and compared to a new Z06 that costs what, 30k less, it's nothing special at all.
Beyond that, the E55 is really pretty ugly.
09-23-2005, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MOTOR TREND
Second fastest was the Porsche 928S4. At 165 mph, the Porsche was stable as an aircraft carrier. The supple suspension soaked up the small irregularities of the track surface, and directional stability was first-class. The aluminum V8 was smooth as glass, and the car was entirely vibration-free. Above 120 mph, there was distinct wind noise from turbulent air around the side mirrors, but otherwise the big Porsche made 165 feel like 65. Tach 5400, speedo 173.
Originally Posted by FCHAT
Class 3 - 360 Modena Spider / Challenge / F1
47 360 Challenge Stradale 177.47
39 360 Modena F1 175.54
45 360 Modena 175.41 (Mine)
36 360 Modena 174.09
41 360 Modena F1 171.62
48 360 Modena 170.98
38 360 Modena F1 170.84
35 360 Modena 170.34
37 360 Modena 170.07
43 360 Spider F1 169.46
44 360 Spider F1 169.31
46 360 Modena 168.42
84 360 Spider 167.77
29 360 Modena 166
47 360 Challenge Stradale 177.47
39 360 Modena F1 175.54
45 360 Modena 175.41 (Mine)
36 360 Modena 174.09
41 360 Modena F1 171.62
48 360 Modena 170.98
38 360 Modena F1 170.84
35 360 Modena 170.34
37 360 Modena 170.07
43 360 Spider F1 169.46
44 360 Spider F1 169.31
46 360 Modena 168.42
84 360 Spider 167.77
29 360 Modena 166
Take dollar signs out of the equation and look at the facts!!
09-23-2005, 06:22 PM
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Blau- Mr. M21,
"So let's get this straight... This hobbled together bit of parts that will increase the power output of a stock 4.5 Liter CIS motor by 300% will crush a brand new E55. LUNACY"
There's nothing 'hobbled' about a bone stock 928 with a 2 stage fogger kit installed....unless you consider the pro stock race cars that run the same setup at dragstrips across the US as 'hobbled' together.
"ou (M21) bring me such a car, prepared by you, "Oh mighty hot rod builder that can get the $800 kit on Ebay,""
Do a search on ebay for 'nitrous kits', and within 2 weeks you'll find a 2 stage kit for $800 or less.
"get the 78 928 to lay down 714hp on a dyno"
Why bother? Unless we're racing on a dyno...
" (not to 60mph) But you creaming me, obliterating me in that oh so lowly E55 over a distance of 65 miles, or 100 Km."
I'd happily race you in such a car in a 1/4 mile. I'd even go so far as to run a standing mile against an E55 in a progressive nitrous equipped shark.
"A real race"
A 1/4 mile is a 'real race'. Regardless, stop moving the goalposts.
"not this oh, "I hit 150mph once in my life crap.""
Ummm, when did i say once? Ifin' i had to take a stab at it, including all cars i've owned/driven, i'd say it's more like a dozen times(and sometimes much faster than 150, btw). My daddy is very rich you see, and he's had some truly awesome cars, and i've driven all of them. His 67 L-88 Stingray was without a doubt the fastest street legal car i've ever driven.
"If you can "cream" me in an E55, I will buy you the E55, and pay for your 928 as well..."
Well i don't own a 79, but if you're willing to take that same bet against my 83 928S with a two stage kit, i'll happily take that bet at any dragstrip in the tri-state area(Pa, NJ, Del).
While we're there you can watch all the little 9 second ricers that ARE 'hobbled together' so you can get a true perspective of what FAST really is(and for just how little money such ETs can be achieved).
The E55 is a nice car, but is HARDLY the be all end all of performance cars, and when you're talking about modified cars, it's really nothing to brag about.
11 second mustangs, camaros, corvettes, Grand Nationals, Cyclones, and even freakin' hondas grow on trees at any drag strip in the US.
I hate to bruise your ego, but the E55 when compared to all manner of strip prepped cars is absolutely nothing special, and compared to a new Z06 that costs what, 30k less, it's nothing special at all.
Beyond that, the E55 is really pretty ugly.
"So let's get this straight... This hobbled together bit of parts that will increase the power output of a stock 4.5 Liter CIS motor by 300% will crush a brand new E55. LUNACY"
There's nothing 'hobbled' about a bone stock 928 with a 2 stage fogger kit installed....unless you consider the pro stock race cars that run the same setup at dragstrips across the US as 'hobbled' together.
"ou (M21) bring me such a car, prepared by you, "Oh mighty hot rod builder that can get the $800 kit on Ebay,""
Do a search on ebay for 'nitrous kits', and within 2 weeks you'll find a 2 stage kit for $800 or less.
"get the 78 928 to lay down 714hp on a dyno"
Why bother? Unless we're racing on a dyno...
" (not to 60mph) But you creaming me, obliterating me in that oh so lowly E55 over a distance of 65 miles, or 100 Km."
I'd happily race you in such a car in a 1/4 mile. I'd even go so far as to run a standing mile against an E55 in a progressive nitrous equipped shark.
"A real race"
A 1/4 mile is a 'real race'. Regardless, stop moving the goalposts.
"not this oh, "I hit 150mph once in my life crap.""
Ummm, when did i say once? Ifin' i had to take a stab at it, including all cars i've owned/driven, i'd say it's more like a dozen times(and sometimes much faster than 150, btw). My daddy is very rich you see, and he's had some truly awesome cars, and i've driven all of them. His 67 L-88 Stingray was without a doubt the fastest street legal car i've ever driven.
"If you can "cream" me in an E55, I will buy you the E55, and pay for your 928 as well..."
Well i don't own a 79, but if you're willing to take that same bet against my 83 928S with a two stage kit, i'll happily take that bet at any dragstrip in the tri-state area(Pa, NJ, Del).
While we're there you can watch all the little 9 second ricers that ARE 'hobbled together' so you can get a true perspective of what FAST really is(and for just how little money such ETs can be achieved).
The E55 is a nice car, but is HARDLY the be all end all of performance cars, and when you're talking about modified cars, it's really nothing to brag about.
11 second mustangs, camaros, corvettes, Grand Nationals, Cyclones, and even freakin' hondas grow on trees at any drag strip in the US.
I hate to bruise your ego, but the E55 when compared to all manner of strip prepped cars is absolutely nothing special, and compared to a new Z06 that costs what, 30k less, it's nothing special at all.
Beyond that, the E55 is really pretty ugly.
09-23-2005, 06:38 PM
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M21,
You build such a deal with your 83S, and I will happily indulge with your challenge. However, you can surely use your 83S (modified with only nitrous, after it has been verified on a Dyno by an independent 3rd party to have 714 HP. Because, MR. "if not why bother," you should back up your words with fact and not BS. Talk is cheap, and Dynos lie less than people.)
My race, and version of being creamed does not end with 1440 Ft. or a qtr mile. You said race, and creamed. As far as moving the goalpost, Hey you said race... Nowhere in that sentence did you mention 1/4th mile.
I mentioned it, as your hot rodding SBC drag mentality led me to believe that this is the only situation that matters. I will increase the challenge to say the race can be as follows:
1 event at a dragstrip
1 event over a distance of 100km
1 event on a road race circuit track
You can pick the dragstrip, I pick the 100km, and an independent 3rd party picks the road race circuit. Your event gets done last, and 2 of 3 wins...
You are not bruising my ego. I have none. Furthermore, like I have unerringly said several times before, and have had confirmed by others who have done so consistently, going fast for 6-10 seconds is nothing compared to going fast for minutes....
A dozen times in your life at 150+ MPH.... Whoopeeeee You can have the medal for least times over 150mph...!
Hell, living in Europe, where in 1 trip in less than 1 hr I could have gone easily past 160+mph more than 12 times.... Not to mention track events, and my commute to/from to the office on 101.
Don't play in the big pond with big fish little fella... BS does not cut it there.. Like I said, talk is cheap.
The funny thing is, I don't even like the E55, However, I can surely realize its potential compared with a non dynoable, 714 "CLAIMED" HP 83 928S.
You build such a deal with your 83S, and I will happily indulge with your challenge. However, you can surely use your 83S (modified with only nitrous, after it has been verified on a Dyno by an independent 3rd party to have 714 HP. Because, MR. "if not why bother," you should back up your words with fact and not BS. Talk is cheap, and Dynos lie less than people.)
My race, and version of being creamed does not end with 1440 Ft. or a qtr mile. You said race, and creamed. As far as moving the goalpost, Hey you said race... Nowhere in that sentence did you mention 1/4th mile.
I mentioned it, as your hot rodding SBC drag mentality led me to believe that this is the only situation that matters. I will increase the challenge to say the race can be as follows:
1 event at a dragstrip
1 event over a distance of 100km
1 event on a road race circuit track
You can pick the dragstrip, I pick the 100km, and an independent 3rd party picks the road race circuit. Your event gets done last, and 2 of 3 wins...
You are not bruising my ego. I have none. Furthermore, like I have unerringly said several times before, and have had confirmed by others who have done so consistently, going fast for 6-10 seconds is nothing compared to going fast for minutes....
A dozen times in your life at 150+ MPH.... Whoopeeeee You can have the medal for least times over 150mph...!
Hell, living in Europe, where in 1 trip in less than 1 hr I could have gone easily past 160+mph more than 12 times.... Not to mention track events, and my commute to/from to the office on 101.
Don't play in the big pond with big fish little fella... BS does not cut it there.. Like I said, talk is cheap.
The funny thing is, I don't even like the E55, However, I can surely realize its potential compared with a non dynoable, 714 "CLAIMED" HP 83 928S.
09-23-2005, 07:20 PM
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Dudes you got me all wrong. I said I'd trade all my cars for a nice new benz. Take a wild guess what I would do with it..yep...sell it and buy back one of my cars...and a down payment on a 45 ft boat