Ketchmi

Hey Richard!

George's S4 (not GTS) is gearing limited at the moment, that is not his top speed. He will be returning next year with proper gearing to probably be able to exceed 200mph. We have a local 89' that is in the same boat, more than enough hp to redline in high gear but that is mid 180's. We are building a 6.1L 1Atm boosted 32 valve in a car with 2.2 gears. It should be able to redline in high gear at about the mid 220mph range. All these examples cost considerably less than the Mercedes...

blau928

Hey Dave,

Thanks for the correction, I thought George had GTS.. In any case, I am sure a 1atm 6.1L engine properly prepared will be able to go to 220mph with the 2.2 rear end. You guys will be in Mc Merc SLR territory...! Congradulations..! (In Advance)

PS... The SLR was one of the inspirations to design my project...

tv

Hey Richard, I agree with everything you said except for this. If you meant 4 in the back seat then they better be 2 couples on very good terms because they will have to be humping each other as the back seat has a large divider down the middle. I actually opened it up and looked inside.

To my eyes the back seats were not up to my roadmaster standard and the BMW's back seat was very cramped especially knee-wise.

One last note our 928's have a somewhat wide variety of performance characteristics. My LH euro with one of the most free flowing exhausts and twin RRFPR's just screams past 3K and mated to the A28.06 tranny moves very fast. As to interior look at Keith's pictures posted a couple weeks back for an awesome interior.

m21sniper

Blau- "5. 1/4 mile times are only interesting in the USA, and meaningless in the rest of the world"

LOL, a friend of mine in germany just sent me all kinds of pix from some dragracing event there that drew over 30,000 fans.

Besides, 1/4 mile is more relevant to real world driving than top end is.

Everyone will accelerate hard from a standing stop from time to time, but rarely does anyone ever do 160mph.

Jim Nowak

The CLS and E55 are around 500 lbs heavier than a 928S4.

blau928

m21,

You should examine the company you keep. Go to any F1 race in any part of the world, and it will be significantly more than 30,000 people. The DTM series in Germany draws more than 30,000 people.... The Lupo Cup might even have more that 30,000 people..(your friend in Germany can explain).

If you do not use your 928 for anything but the 1/4th mile, then you should get a dragster, as you are significantly underutilizing your car for the purpose for which it was designed.. Per the factory, it was not designed as a drag racer and 1/4th mile driving. It is a GT (Gran Tourismo) car.... Lots of stuff on the internet or history books on auto history that can clarify this for you.

There are many drivers who drive 928's who do not accelerate from a standing stop, but drive over 160mph. Therefore choose your words (everyone) carefully. In addition, you should sign up for an ORR event and get your 928 over 140+ for starters... You might be amazed.. If that is too complicated, fly to Germany, rent a decent car, and floor it on the unrestricted section of the autobahn... Take your friend with you so he can point out the signs where you can do this... It's a cheap way to see what real driving at speed is like other than 1/4 mile for a few seconds...

Like I said earlier in the post, stick to the facts, leave subjectivity out of it, you might be surprised what you learn.

m21sniper

LOL, dismissing your condencension for the purposes of board harmony, i can happily tell you that i've had my 928S over 150mph more than once.

Jim_H

Well done

928SS

amazing how folks try to compare a 928 to a new bimmer or benzo, in spite of all the obvious differences... guess they are all from germany, but IMO that's about all that's in common... different era, technologies, purposes... bout the only thing I"d like from the last decade related to a new car is the fuel prices....

also kinda funny how we defend our old fat and lazy u boats to the death against newer faster, quicker, techno rich stuff w/a warrenty... denial is a powerful state of mind indeed... doubt it has anything to do w/beauty being in the eye of the beholder.... ha!

sure I love my old gal, but it is a dated old dog compared to what's out there today - even w/all the "updates" I did... going against the grain is the 928's appeal to me - it's an icon that represents an era when a V8 powered 2 seater w/style was percieved as decadence by the masses who were confined to "practical" 4cyl commuter coffins.... kinda like a supercharged RR or hummer is at $3/gal fuel...

was it the best handling - not really, was it the quickest/fastest - no... did it scream "FU, I'm driving an impractical, V8 powered, fun stylemobile cause I'm not a drone!!" - quite well, and it still does even today....

and for the times when all the "practical" crap matters, I"ve got a new jag... (gotta keep the wife happy)

worf928

I checked the KBB website and stand corrected. The CLS55 is listed at 4069 pounds which does make it about 500 libs heavier. However, the lump makes 'only' 469 bhp which is less than an MSS 928. Given the broad flat torque of today's engines (with engine management technology 20 years newer than our 928s) and the zillion-speed automatic I suspect that a CLS might be able to stay with an MSS 928 from a standing-start... for a little bit.

worf928

What's fun about this thread - and what says a great deal about our 928s - is that we can compare a car designed, effectively, 30 years ago with a car fresh off the drawing board and it isn't completely obvious that the older car has been solidly defeated. What other cars designed in the 70s could enter into this discussion and not be tossed out by their figurative ears?

bcdavis

Very true...

Herr-Kuhn

I believe the mid range to be very lacking in these cars...say 60-140 MPH. The passing speed ranges, even in Germany. You can claim people there drive 160+ all the time, but it isn't that common. I find most cruise around the 90-130 MPH range. It is seldom you see a car running all out at 160 all day long, you can't do it for more than very short bursts between cities anyway. Last time I was there I had a Vectra and was cruising at about 110-120 MPH, 135 MPH max...I did get passed a few times, but not all that much. A couple of bikes, a maserati and big bimmers and benz cars. We drove 3 hours each way on the Autobahns and I bet I didn't see one car running over 150 MPH

Still, I beleive these cars can't touch many newer performance cars, mainly in accelleration. I had a Z06 that wanted to play...I knew better, the S4 would have gotten killed. In the Callaway I would have stood a good chance, but not the stock S4. My mock up turbocharger arrives this week...then I can start the real plans...I can't wait to get this build completed...but I must be patient! Good things do come to those who wait! There should be just plenty of mid range AND top end with this build. I do like the 928s tall gearing for high speed cruising...add lots of torque up the middle and you have a screamer!

Say Richard...are you still working on the supercharged car? How are those laminova cores working out?

Fastest928

Dave,
With the worrd "should", you hit the nail right on the head with this statement:

"It should be able to redline in high gear at about the mid 220mph range"

So far, only one boosted vehicle ever made it past the 200 mph run in an open road race ... a RUF turbo.

I hope to see George and one of our "closet" speedfreaks make it to 200 mph or faster in a 928 soon

When will you be ready to run? Maybe we can have four 928 go after the 200 mph club at the same time .... That is a record in itself!

Marc

worf928

Compared to what? An F-16?