mrgreenjeans

Here in the new "Saudi Arabia" of oil reserves in the upper Midwest, I paid $1.48 a gallon the day before yesterday, using a 5 cent a gallon plastic discount card they give folks for loyalty returns. We have no choice in but using ethanol laced fuel as it is a state mandated thing @ 10- 15 % mix. This pricing was for 88 octane regular fuel.

Premium can be about 10 to 15 cents higher for 93. A very few big name, top tier fuel dealers give one a choice for non ethanol Premium for snowmobiles, lawn mowers, or snow blowers and motorcycles and this is what I use for the Porsches as well..... WHEN it's available. Usually 35-50 cents a gallon more than 88 octane unleaded with ethanol in it. Something also one sees through out the upper Midwest is the use of winter blend fuels and I always see a drop in fuel miles in my daily driver ( '15 Corolla ) from this crap. giving me around 34-35 mpg avg. When driving in Florida the fuel mpg immediately returns to around 38 using a top tier fuel like Shell or Exxon.

Am headed out to the SE in a couple of days to take in the Ferrari Cavallino in West Palm and the Rolex 24 hour, Sebring PCA Club Racing, Homestead, and the 12 Hours of Sebring, as well as Amelia Island Concours in March. Fuel is always higher in Florida than in the upper Midwest. ( But one has to watch out for all the 'skim card' readers at fuel pumps trying to steal one's credit info and the dudes hanging around trying to con people out of 5 bucks a panhandle for free fuel. Two things which never occur in MN, ND, and SD. There are advantages to life in the tundra ( at least part of the year ).

Heading out to the garages to get those part numbers, soon as I can muster enough willpower to venture out into the -23 below it hit last night.

I can't WAIT to hit the BEACHES in a couple of days !!!

mrgreenjeans

O.K.
Back with some data. Not all, but as much as accessible.

On the ATS cast alloy 7 x 15 Cookie Cutters:
Date code- 10/83
- other numbers are 'muddy' as they are cast into the Al. but this much I can read-
ATS 7J15
PTL 2001 Porsche /Audi
P in a triangle and the four rings of Audi;
all others are unreadable

On the 8 x 15 FUCHS forged alloy :
Dated- 1/84
911.361.020
42
Porsche P in a triangle
Fuchs (fox) head

The other wheels I can't get to as they are up in an overhead rack over the cars, so don't know what the 7x15 FUCHS reads.

I crawled under the '82 built 944 with the original 50,000 mile 7x16 inch FUCHS on all four corners, and tried to put my beam of the Maglite on the inner paddles but the numbers are 'up' and all I could read is a date code of 6/82 and the Fox head and P in a triangle. Spring will allow me access.....

Can't wait for the 100 degree temperature change and latitude / longitude mind meld of south Florida...... this -23 sucks.

Scott at Team Harco

Reference page 109 of the PET file:
http://www.porsche.com/all/media/pdf...85_KATALOG.pdf

It looks as though all of the early 944 wheels were, in fact, 911 part numbers.

Scott at Team Harco

And from the 85-88 PET: the wheels, with the exception of the 911 Fuchs - have 944, 951 and 928 prefixes.

CTK

My owners manual and warranty book are both "1982 Edition"

mrgreenjeans

Thanks Scott, Thanks CTK for the info.

Does your owner's manual show a month ? Mine has a printed date on it with month and year. There were many revisions as progress on the cars unfolded.

AS to the PET numbers..... this is great info.

Did you notice the weird looking steel wheel with hubcap for snow / winter use ? I thought it was a 6 inch, but the PET shows it as a 5 1/2 inch by 15.
Wonder how many of those they sold and if they are even still available (-: With that bizarre looking hubcap......

As to the FUCHS wheels, notice how they only list the 7x16 inch for series one ( made for the '82 and '83 cars ) and the 7 and 8 x 15 inch FUCHS wheels as available ( appearing on the '84 and '85.1 cars )...... and this is where things get a bit muddled I fear. The 8x16 normally on 911s were available over the parts counter on an upgrade for the 944 series one cars. Correct me if I am wrong, but they do carry a slightly different offset if memory serves me. The first staggered 16 inch FUCHS wheels available for our 944s as an optional 'build out' from the factory, came along with the 85.2 model. Because Porsche had just built the turbo variant late '85 as an '86 car, and needed to put the iconic FUCHS on as an identifier of brand imaging, but they wouldn't fit over the new larger brakes and the later appearing ABS. Hence the one year model offering of the '86 car with what ended up having the hard to find 'shallow' face 16 inch wheel. Then, they (FUCHS) disappeared entirely from our waterpumpers and were available only on 911s up to the end of '89 cars in that model range.

All we could then get for the series 2- 944 was the phone dial with new ET in 15 inch, the new ET phone dial in 16 inch - 7 and 8, the forged FUCHS disc wheels, (manhole covers, pie-plates, "gullydoeckels") of the 928 wheel, the cast D-90, and the Cup 1 and 2s which were on 968s. The 'cut out' seven spoke FUCHS which are known as Club Sports and are a variation on the seven slot pie plates.

Or, the later appearing and ultra rare magnesium cast phonedials which came on Cup turbos and could be special ordered for track use on other '44s. ( I do not believe these were a DOT accepted wheel for street use due to vulnerability of cracking, flammability, etc. )

With many of these wheels interchanging with simple additions of spacers, I wonder why so many have chosen to 'upgrade' to the Boxster wheels other than for 17 or 18 inch sizings. It sure cannot be for the looks, as I feel it is all wrong in model identification or styling.

mel_t_vin

Just as I suspected...carried over from the Carrera RS. Thanks for the confirmation.

mel_t_vin

Correct.

Both the 8"x15" and 8"x16" 911 Fuchs are et10. The 8"x16" 944 Fuchs, 951.362.117.00, is et23.

mrgreenjeans

Here is an example of the 16 inch FUCHS as they came on an original '86 model car.
It's serial number #8616, appearing mid year in production and has the color matched option FUCHS as a part of its special "Sport Touring" package.

Note the 'shallow' face of the 7's on the front.


( sorry about the small image... couldn't get it to enlarge )

mrgreenjeans

I'll try that again with a different photo.
~ a 28,000 mile original with Grand Prix white FUCHS, leather Sport Seats, (burgundy interior including dash, carpet, door cards), sunroof, h.d. front and rear stabilizers, 5 speed, with the very seldom seen "Sport Touring" option grouping.
It's always been a Concours show car originating from a Colorado dealer

odonnell

Here are some images of the 16" Fuchs on my car (red, black rims)

http://imgur.com/a/peno0

These were taken and uploaded the week I bought this car in 2013, it looks a lot nicer now

mrgreenjeans

compared to the 7 and 8x16 inch FUCHS staggers on this :



( also an award winning CONCOURS 930 )

note: they both have hand painted center hubcaps..... from the factory and ordered that way.

mrgreenjeans

WAY off topic.

these won't work ( but great 'eye candy' anyway ! )

And the red 71 E track car is a real RS America 964... it has Jongbloeds on it. The RS 60 is wearing it's brushed satin skin and a set of quite rare Lemmerz wheels I do believe

mrgreenjeans

'88 Carrera in Venetian Blue ( tourist delivery - 900 code car picked up at the factory)

~~~ with standard narrow body and standard FUCHS forged alloys in 16 inch. Which were available only up to the introduction of the Carrera 2 cars in mid '89 as the early 'G' body cars were discontinued ( last of the true old hand built units made in Stuttgart )

These could also be made available in various color matched scenarios from Porsche, but were most often seen in black center with anodized lip. These have a different et than what you are looking for CTK, so just am posting this photo to give you a heads up as to the proper look. ( I know all about this.... I have a set of the Diamond blue Metallic Jubilee/ Celebration FUCHS off of an '88 Carrera Jubilee that I mounted on an early 944 , an '84 car, and tho the look is very similar to the proper early '82 and '83 - 944s, the stepping of the rim is wrong and the shallowness of the face is different from that 7 inch by 16 wheel shown on Odonnel's car. THAT is the look you need to have on your '83 for that all original look in a competition show field. The wider 7 and 8 inch staggers which arrived in the model year '84 are close in appearance to the untrained eye, but just different enough to be caught by a judge. Believe me, THEY know..... )

Hence the reason to pay attention to date codes on FUCHS wheels. There are so many variations thru the years from '67 onward when they were first introduced on the S - 911. Everything from deep sixes, to 'hearts, to 14 , 15, 16 inch variations with all the e/t and width changes. If you are ever in doubt as to what is authentic for your car, source the info from one of the most pre-eminent wheel restorers in the country, Harvey Weidmann of Weidmann wheels in California. He has seen it all and has resource material straight from the German archives of Porsche and Otto Fuchs wheel manufacturing.

CTK

Thanks to all for sharing information. I made notes and it's my understanding that 83/84 944 FUCHS were all 7x16 and 8x16 et23. Early 911 of similar yrs with Fuchs may have et10.

Regardless, I really enjoyed the pics. Acts wheels are nice, but the Fuchs really make the car pop. I'm on the hunt for a set...