dnimi123

I love my GT4 and would love a GT4RS. BUT im realistic and practical. Just because you throw a GT3 engine into a GT4 doesnt fix or do anything about the obvious problems, flaws and short comings of this platform... only proper thoughtful aftermarket modifications can you begin to address the Cayman Complex. But hey who am I to tell you want you like or dont like. Some people are perfectly happy eating hot dogs and meatloaf all day long...I prefer a more balanced diet and a more balanced car.

matttheboatman

Like all things Porsche, they ask the consumer to judge them on the results of their efforts, not the sum of thier parts. It has been Porsche's culture from the very beginning to do more with less. But, with the GT4RS they relented and acquesed to the demand for a larger engine. And, yes, most everything else done to the car could be characterized as little tweaks. But, the result of the combination of; the mid-engine platform + a powerful engine + many aero tweaks = a truly amazing machine.

What is the facination about comparing this Cayman to the GT3? For a Cayman guy, it is very cool to have a Cayman platform that can keep up with the its big brother. Porsche did not build the GT4RS to be a better car than the GT3. They built the GT4RS to be the best Cayman. And, to that end, they succeeded in a big way.

raymort

yup!!

lilbza

Me personally, I love everything about the GT4RS, and it would be my first pick over any new Porsche currently available today. I don't care that it doesn't have double wishbone suspension or rear wheel steering, I'm not a professional race car driver, and I'm man enough to admit that I wouldn't even be able to exploit the limits of the GT4RS anyway.

I do find it funny with TZR06 is such a heavy critic of the 4RS and he hasn't even driven it, he doesn't even track his own GT4... you must be one hell of a street racer Vin Diesel.

TRZ06

Both dnimi123 and I sing the same tune when it comes to the deficiencies in the handling department of the GT4. I really love my GT4 now, but I had to put $15K into it to do so. That in my book is a fail from Porsche on a GT product. If I didn't have the means to modify the suspension, I would have sold it, as it is not worth its price tag in stock form.

TRZ06

I am glad you enjoy yours, that is what counts.

You don't need to drive it to know it suffers the same issues as the GT4. I have heard first hand accounts from those who have and you have to be pretty blind to not notice the chassis shortcomings on its Ring video. I am not a critic of the GT4 RS, I am a critic of both the GT4 and GT4 RS. For the amount of money they charge for them, there should be no need to have to dump money into suspension.

I get we are on a Porsche forum, but that doesn't mean one should have tunnel vision or not see the bigger picture AND that doesn't mean the GT4 and GT4 RS are the end all that some like to think. Fanbois will be fanbois though and they see "their" car thru a straw hole and up on a pedestal . Yes the GT4 RS has its appeal but other than the motor is was a **** poor effort everywhere else. Bottom line for me is for what they charge for both the GT4 and GT4 RS, they should be buttoned down with no handling deficiencies and that is not the case.

Mr. Adair

Look at my signature. Does it look like a blind toadie to the Porsche Gods? What is the price of a stock GT4 new? Add in Deman and a trip to Emotion. That's probably pretty close to 150k. If that is your jam have at it. I also know what it will be like to get your initial investment back out of a Deman. Add in the lack of warranty etc. and there is no way I would bite off on a Deman. I think that the 4RS it's not a 911 argument is more persuasive. But to be honest for me 911 991/992 GT3's are about as common and boring as Kleenex. I will only ever purchase RS's. The 4RS gives excitement all through the speed/rev range. Add Manthey kit and go. It's as exciting on a 5 mile errands run as a backroad Sunday or trackday. Like I said, like a 997.2 RS size and feels only more modern. I'm convinced this car will also be considered in the same light years from now.

jmartpr

Why we always end up comparing 911 vs Cayman and pricing? It is what, it is. It's not supposed to be on par with GT3 or GT3RS.
The 98x platform has been out a long time so obviously it's no 992. Also, the mid-engine platform was designed to cut cost while provide and good entry into Porsche sports cars.
These mentioned "design flaws" are not flaws, are just the way Porsche design it to save on cost and provide a product that slotted below the 911, not next to it...want more? You can always get a GT3/GT3RS.
As for pricing....not everything is performance. These car are not cheap but after many years racing cars and working on the auto industry I haven't found many cars that are so well rounded in offering so many things with incredible reliability even with track use, not to mention great resale value.

It's not everyone's cup of tea, you just have to be realistic what you are buying.
Me personally, I love how the 992 GT3 drives on track. It's the superior car, but when it was time to decide between 992 GT3 or GT4RS other things also weighted on my decision, which may not be the same things other people value.

dnimi123

Closer to $185,000! Thats a lot of extra cheese to make the Spyder "exceptional". Strap a more powerful engine into a car does not make the car better....it makes it have a more powerful engine.

dnimi123

THIS! Another voice of reason to the lack of honesty on this forum about the Cayman product line.

dnimi123

There are many others as well... they are maybe less adamant about pressing the rest here to admit it. Its fine, facts are facts and if people choose to ignore them they do so at their own detriment. As they say ignorance is bliss...

dnimi123

I track mine as well as drive fairly aggressively in the canyon roads. The car needs help on several levels thats why everyone who does track their GT4 or Spyder MODIFIES IT!

KelvinC

Detriment?

if TRZ06 is having to spend $15k to get a pretty universally loved platform to his level of satisfaction, I’d say he’s the one at a loss.

You and TRZ06 are entitled to your truths, which are still, at the end of the day, your opinions. Sports cars are about enjoyment, and an emotive benefit, since most of us aren’t objectively using these cars to make a living. I don’t deny that you dislike aspects of the car, but just because you speak loudly doesn’t mean your truths are facts…for what are ultimately seat-of-the-pants and subjective opinions.

And just because others disagree with you, doesn’t make them 100% fan bois, blind or ignorant.

burtonrider3889

I find a lot of the comments in here amusing. When I got my GT4RS I assumed I would get a car that sounded better than my GT3 and was more fun than my GT3, but would not be as fast as my GT3. Now that I own the car I see the only thing I was wrong about was the fast part. It is more fun, it does sound better, and it's just as fast. Car and Driver just did their lightning lap at VIR and the 4RS put down the same time as the 992 GT3. Not the 991.2, the 992. Considering no rear wheel steering, smaller tires, and inferior suspension, it's just as fast around one of the best tracks in America. I think the people comparing videos on the ring which is a very bumpy track, or those that live in parts of Europe with terrible B roads could notice some sort of difference. But for the professional at VIR putting down lap times he said they felt very similar and they put down the same lap time. So if I had to choose (which I already did), I would have my 4RS over a 992 GT3 any day of the week, and I'll keep my 991.2 manual GT3 for road service when I want a manual to row through the gears on. And I have driven the 992 GT3 around a track as well, so it's not like I'm typing at my computer screen with no experience of one or multiple cars like some.

Checkmate

What is the source of your information? From what I understand, C/D does not have their 2022 lightning laps out yet.