GT4 RS Allocation Thread
02-07-2022, 07:35 PM
#646
This is kinda why people in the auto industry are so cagey about saying anything of substance, especially about future product plans. Quotes get taken out of context. A statement that is true at one point in time gets treated like a lie because it's not true at some later point in time. Or a casual statement about something that is not totally decided yet gets treated as some sort of ironclad guarantee.
Sure, who's arguing otherwise? Porsche has an upper limit on how many GT cars they can make, and naturally they are going to skew towards the most profitable products. They don't want to overproduce but it's of little benefit to them to intentionally and wildly undershoot demand.
Case in point, you made a mistake here, there's never been a GT4RS. So should we now treat all of your statements as suspect? Either way, for almost every successive GT car, they've produced more than the last. That means they're gonna try to make a lot of 992 GT3's, and will probably make a lot of GT4RS's and GT3RS's.
Sure, who's arguing otherwise? Porsche has an upper limit on how many GT cars they can make, and naturally they are going to skew towards the most profitable products. They don't want to overproduce but it's of little benefit to them to intentionally and wildly undershoot demand.
Case in point, you made a mistake here, there's never been a GT4RS. So should we now treat all of your statements as suspect? Either way, for almost every successive GT car, they've produced more than the last. That means they're gonna try to make a lot of 992 GT3's, and will probably make a lot of GT4RS's and GT3RS's.
We will see...and my GT3/GT3RS compoarison is not a mistake, since this is the first GT4RS you could use the GT3/GT3RS data as a starting point..or should we just say because its a first they will just produce 4RSs non-stop?
Even my dealer is saying they will get more 992 GT3s than GT4RS so you can even use that as a comparison...but time will tell.
02-07-2022, 07:49 PM
#647
Racer
I was just poking fun at you typing GT4RS instead of GT3RS. I agree that looking at the typical GT3 to GT3RS ratio probably gives a good idea of where we'll end up with the GT4RS numbers. But at the same time it may work out a bit differently because of the price points. There are a lot more customers that can afford a GT4RS that starts at $140k, than can afford a GT3RS that starts at $200k. So relatively speaking, we may see more GT4RS's. The big question for me is whether we're looking at 2 model years or 2 calendar years of production. If it's the former, we could see new cars made until July/August 2023 at the worst, with December 2023 being the lastest 23MY could get made. If it's the latter, we'll see cars being delivered into mid 2024.
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02-07-2022, 07:53 PM
#648
I was just poking fun at you typing GT4RS instead of GT3RS. I agree that looking at the typical GT3 to GT3RS ratio probably gives a good idea of where we'll end up with the GT4RS numbers. But at the same time it may work out a bit differently because of the price points. There are a lot more customers that can afford a GT4RS that starts at $140k, than can afford a GT3RS that starts at $200k. So relatively speaking, we may see more GT4RS's. The big question for me is whether we're looking at 2 model years or 2 calendar years of production. If it's the former, we could see new cars made until JulQuick Replyy/August 2023 at the worst, with December 2023 being the lastest 23MY could get made. If it's the latter, we'll see cars being delivered into mid 2024.
Ohhh not even noticed that! My Bad.....Yes, I agree they will be more GT4RS because of the price (well depending on ADMs
) but we could use it not by numbers but ratio....my bet is on modelsyear
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02-07-2022, 11:02 PM
#649
FWIW, my local dealer bumped their GT3 ADM from $30k to $100k, $150k for a touring, 25k for a GT4, and the GT4RS was at $50k, now $75k. That tells me that the 3RS will see that $150k figure or higher.
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As far as allocations, my dealer also doesn't have any other info that differs from his call on 1/17 telling me i will have one of the 3 cars they expect to receive. No build dates yet, nothing. Just waiting for some sort of update.
02-07-2022, 11:37 PM
#650
Racer
As much as this statement is true, I think the ADM game really cuts into the idea of what people can 'afford' at the end of the day. I think the days of a GT4RS selling for MSRP (aside from the few lone dealers who are actually selling them for that cost) are far away, and we won't see transactions like that on the secondary market for a long time -- especially if all of the other models are shooting up. I don't think the 992 GT3RS will help that case, as the ADM will for sure be astronomical, forcing people to 'settle' with something a bit lower on the totem pole, but still within "reasonable" price.
FWIW, my local dealer bumped their GT3 ADM from $30k to $100k, $150k for a touring, 25k for a GT4, and the GT4RS was at $50k, now $75k. That tells me that the 3RS will see that $150k figure or higher.
FWIW, my local dealer bumped their GT3 ADM from $30k to $100k, $150k for a touring, 25k for a GT4, and the GT4RS was at $50k, now $75k. That tells me that the 3RS will see that $150k figure or higher.
I think we're already starting to see the height of GT3's ADM's subside though. A number of the cars that flippers had up for sale at $100k+ over MSRP have already been discounted by $10-40k and still aren't sold. Almost all of the pcarmarket 992 GT3 auctions failed to meet reserve. Price's will probably stay high in the hot markets for awhile but might revert to some sort of stable level, maybe $50k or so. Will be interesting to see what happens to GT4RS prices when people realize that all that panic about there only being 200 cars in the US was misplaced.
02-08-2022, 03:04 AM
#651
02-08-2022, 11:19 AM
#652
Looks like there are posts on a German forum now stating a 6 week delay. Rumor is that its about semiconductors.
02-08-2022, 11:48 AM
#653
02-08-2022, 12:14 PM
#654
02-08-2022, 01:33 PM
#655
02-08-2022, 01:41 PM
#656
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02-08-2022, 02:33 PM
#657
02-08-2022, 03:01 PM
#658
Anyone have a sense of how many allocations per year a small dealer would get? My dealer says 1-2 cars per year. I am #5 on the list at MSRP (been on it since 2017) but they think some folks may pass on the car (seems unlikely...) bumping me up to #2 or 3. I know there is very little transparency on this, but any insight would be helpful!
02-08-2022, 03:11 PM
#659
Rennlist Member
Anyone have a sense of how many allocations per year a small dealer would get? My dealer says 1-2 cars per year. I am #5 on the list at MSRP (been on it since 2017) but they think some folks may pass on the car (seems unlikely...) bumping me up to #2 or 3. I know there is very little transparency on this, but any insight would be helpful!
I'm hoping the slow trickle of allocations upticks significantly for 2023 or it's going to be a very rare car indeed.
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02-08-2022, 06:35 PM
#660
My (small) dealer has ONE GT4RS allocation for an August/September build and expects to change my order demand to the allocation slot next month. Fingers crossed. Trading / Selling my 2021 Turbo S, a step into the unknown.