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Wouldn’t it be great if we could get chat GPT to read this thread (and every other exhaust thread in this sub-forum) and write a 1 paragraph description of each exhaust option available for the 718 Spyder / GT4?

enduro

No.

NiteCrawlr

That’s the beauty of the full Kline system. No more drone even with 200 cel headers. If there is any drone, it is with the valves closed for some reason but the overall volume is fine to just leave open all the time. Probably doesn’t sound as epic as your JCR though, but a great compromise. Lucky for all of us there are so many great systems to choose from depending on what you are looking for.

BabyNSX

I agree and feel that if the GT4 sounded as good as a Klein equipped one does from the factory that there would be a lot fewer people getting after market exhausts for their cars. The Klein setup sounds great!

Unfortunately, headers are where power is made and that leads to setups like Dundon's or other cat-less header solutions. Personally, once you go down that path, I feel you ultimately need an actual muffler in the back to keep the sounds in check for normal city driving and why combining the Dundon system with any non-muffled rear solution typically ends up with disappointment. Yes the Dundon Ti muffler ain't cheap but they will likely come out with a lower cost SS version for those not obsessed with weight savings or are on a different budget.

Jeff Jones

Here you go…

Promot to ChatGPT:

Read this thread https://rennlist.com/forums/718-gts-...l#post18761756 and summarize the exhaust options available for the car

After reviewing the thread, it appears that there are several exhaust options available for the Porsche 718 GT4 and GT4 RS models. Here are some of the options mentioned:

1. Porsche Sport Exhaust (PSE): This is the factory option offered by Porsche and is highly regarded by many owners. It features a switchable valve system that allows for a more aggressive exhaust note when desired.
   
2. Fabspeed Motorsport: Fabspeed offers a variety of exhaust options for the GT4 and GT4 RS, including a Valvetronic system that allows the driver to switch between a "street" and "track" mode.
   
3. Soul Performance Products: Soul Performance Products offers a range of exhaust options for the GT4 and GT4 RS, including a Valvetronic system and a non-resonated track exhaust.
   
4. Akrapovič: Akrapovič offers a titanium exhaust system for the GT4 and GT4 RS, which is known for its weight savings and high-quality construction.
   
5. Armytrix: Armytrix offers a Valvetronic exhaust system for the GT4 and GT4 RS, which allows the driver to adjust the exhaust note via a smartphone app.
   

Overall, it seems that there are many options available for those looking to upgrade their Porsche 718 GT4 or GT4 RS exhaust system, with each option offering its own unique features and benefits.



Based on the comments in the thread, what are the pros and cons of each option

Here are some of the pros and cons of the exhaust options mentioned in the thread for the Porsche 718 GT4 and GT4 RS:

1. Porsche Sport Exhaust (PSE):

Pros:

• High-quality factory option.
• Switchable valve system allows for a more aggressive exhaust note when desired.

Cons:

• Expensive.
• Not as loud as some aftermarket options.

1. Fabspeed Motorsport:

Pros:

• Wide range of exhaust options to choose from.
• Valvetronic system allows the driver to switch between a "street" and "track" mode.

Cons:

• Some users reported drone or resonance at certain RPM ranges.
• Expensive.

1. Soul Performance Products:

Pros:

• Range of exhaust options, including a Valvetronic system and non-resonated track exhaust.
• More affordable than some other options.

Cons:

• Some users reported drone or resonance at certain RPM ranges.
• Sound may be too loud for some.

1. Akrapovič:

Pros:

• High-quality titanium construction.
• Known for its weight savings and high-performance sound.

Cons:

• Expensive.
• Some users reported drone or resonance at certain RPM ranges.

1. Armytrix:

Pros:

• Valvetronic system allows for adjustable exhaust note via a smartphone app.
• More affordable than some other options.

Cons:

• Some users reported quality control issues.
• Sound may be too loud for some.

Overall, it seems that each exhaust option has its own set of pros and cons, and the choice will largely depend on individual preferences and priorities. Some users prioritized sound quality, while others prioritized price or ease of installation. It's important for potential buyers to do their own research and read reviews to determine which option is best for them.



You missed the Kline option

I apologize for the oversight. Here is the information on Kline's exhaust option mentioned in the thread:

1. Kline Innovations:

Pros:

• High-quality construction.
• Known for its unique, high-performance sound.
• Some users reported a noticeable increase in horsepower.

Cons:

• Expensive.
• May be too loud for some users.

Again, I apologize for the omission and hope this information is helpful.



What is the summary of opinions on the Kline option

The opinions on the Kline Innovations exhaust option for the Porsche 718 GT4 and GT4 RS were generally positive in the thread, with many users praising the unique and high-performance sound it produced. Some users also reported a noticeable increase in horsepower after installing the exhaust.

However, some users also noted that the Kline exhaust was quite expensive and may be too loud for some drivers. Overall, it seems that the Kline option is well-regarded by those who prioritize sound and performance, but may not be the best choice for those who prefer a quieter or more affordable exhaust option.

FalconSix

I got underneath my 2023 GT4 today and notice ‘China’ stamped into the headers. Has anyone else noticed this on their GT4/Spyder?

Very surprised that a vehicle of this caliber has a Chinese made exhaust manifold.

jdmporscheguy

Dundon says "it's just a placeholder" but I don't think they will be changing it it once it's made and I've already msged Jamie and told him how incredibly absurd it is to charge $11k USD for a muffler.

We'll see what they do. As one of the only people on planet earth who has a full dundon race system, I am also inclined to swap my crack pretzel for the Ti muffler just to compare sound and dyno results. But not at that ridiculous $11k price. JCR's full Ti muffler is $6k USD in comparison.

jmartpr

Most muffled system end up in disappointment when you swap for headers and OAP, even if you keep the cats on the header or on the OAP. Been there, done that....
The JCR is not muffled, it just has resonators and some like the Akra just dump each side individually once you open the valves, it's a glorified OEM muffler and IMHO with a very Un-Porsche sound.
BTW Ti tends to crack, the Akra I tested developed a crack right in the middle (was exchanged in warranty)...I do use my cars at the track. Ti doesn't like too many heat cycles, just ask the people with OEM GT3RS ti mufflers.
And at +$10K I would prefer Inconel by far.......I'm pretty sure Dundon has done their R&D after seeing all the problems with these mufflers (OEM and aftermarket). The other one I would say also has lots of R&D is the Soul valved for the GT4RS, that one I will be able to provide some feedback this week.

FazedChicken

Didn't realize titanium cracking was an issue... I just got the Akra Ti Link Pipes and I plan to track the car once it arrives. Maybe I should have stuck with stainless steel.

Westcoast

Although I am not a track rat, I do get there perhaps 6-8 times per year, I have been running the Akra Titanium link pipes and JCR Titanium Silenced Valved Race Pipe for almost 2 years, so far no cracks...

jmartpr

OAP and JCR rear sections are build using available Ti Tubing which is different from a mufflers made from thin Ti molded sheets, designed to save weight.
My guess is that the round tubing will be more resilient than any wafer thin metal sheet formed into a non-round shape.
Still...for the price of Ti I'll take Inconel. Just look at Kline....they offer SS or Inconel

Westcoast

Good to know and thanks for pointing that out, so it is not just because it is Titanium, but as much about the construction techniques and material format used (tubing versus sheet rolled).

Montaver

Large numbers of OEM parts are made in China. Just because your car has a Porsche badge on the front doesn't mean every part of it came from Germany.

Manufacturer location does not determine quality or lack thereof. The vast majority of the worlds steel is produced in China.

FazedChicken

Thanks for the info. I already purchased the Akra Ti Link Pipes from another Rennlist member so I'll probably stick with that for now. I've been doing some more research over the past hour and I haven't found anyone with issues w/ the link pipes specifically.

I'm also trying to stay reasonable and not spend another +10% of the cost of the car just on an exhaust setup 😅 I'm in Canada so the currency rates, import fees and shipping costs also make everything cost a lot more $$$.

Ramon Vennik

Yup, my Chinese headers are hanging for 2 years now on the wall, I'll cover the "C***a" word (replaced them on the Spyder before delivery with JCR headers)