SpyderSenseOC

Post the Vin so everyone can avoid that car down the road.

Westcoast

Not sure if that's wise or even relevant, with a factory new engine the original problem has been eliminated.

SpyderSenseOC

Well, it doesn’t sound like it has been rectified yet. And secondly, if a low mileage Porsche that I’m thinking about buying is already on its third engine, working correctly or not, I definitely want to know about it. I think most feel the same way

Westcoast

I would expect that the engine swap will be a permanent part of this cars history now, and should be disclosed to any subsequent buyer.

As for the engine, the first one is gone, the second didn't pass install so gone as well, assuming the 3rd is good it is like a new car with regards to the engine, factory fresh.

Engine replacements like this have nothing to do with mileage, they were defective and were replaced, this not like an automobile accident where the car was damaged and repaired.

Archimedes

Not even close. A car that has had an engine swap at the dealer is not the same as a factory new installation. Not a deal killer by any stretch, but an engine swap is still a ding on value and some buyers will simply avoid the car entirely.

Roarke

yeah i agree.. i would definitely keep it if they hit deadline. Their lack of will is what triggered me.

One week to wait for some tools for preparation works
More than one week to approved new engine
Almost two weeks till engine arrived
One week for swap
Another two days to communicate with Porsche about data...

Im in the Europe and factory is less than 10 hours away.. don’t understand these delays

Westcoast

I disagree, the engine is simply installed by the tech at the dealership, they are not rebuilding it only installing it, there are a number of services where these engines are removed from the cars to do certain services.

Remember I said: "it is like a new car with regards to the engine, factory fresh." And I said it should be noted in the service history.

Westcoast

This certainly seems long, I may have expected delays if the car was not in Europe, but considering how close you are this should have happened much quicker!

I trust they gave you a different Porsche to drive while this is going on?

hf1

I would have done the same. That car seems to have some bad juju, whatever it is, so just cut your loses and start anew.

Mike Murphy

Absolutely the right thing to do.

In the US, it’s the California lemon law to be able to return the car in 30 or so days. And then the car could have serious marks via CarFax that significantly reduces the value of the vehicle. And it can show up at any time, even well after the actual event.

Case in point, I bought a 2006 BMW M5 that was a lemon law car. It sold for several thousand dollars less than market value. Several years later, Carfax updated to show the vehicle was stolen. I sold it for several thousand less than market because of this. Had the VIN been posted somewhere, I would have found it.

Roarke

rofl.. got Skoda Rapid in Python Green.. check pictures above

Westcoast

Shame on them!

Denny Swift

Perhaps if a car is being sold shortly after the engine was swapped, a potential buyer would be concerned. But if the engine is swapped and the car runs and performs without issue for a couple of year, it would be completely irrational for anyone to be concerned. The only rationale that I can think of is if someone plans on keeping it for 40 years hoping that it will become a classic and is perhaps concerned that the "numbers won't match." But that's pretty far fetched.

However, due to the car being repurchased by Porsche, I'd expect the car to be forever tagged as "reconstructed" or something depending on country, so it seems that this will be a moot point. I'm glad to hear that the owner will not be losing any money on this very unfortunate situation.

Archimedes

In what routine service do they actually pull the engine from this car?

Replacing an engine is major surgery on this car, with a lot of disassembly, reassembly, connections of fluids electronics, etc. It's not a simple 'drop the motor' and swap and go, and the likelihood that a tech who does one or two engine swaps a year (possibly/likely never before on a Cayman) will do near as perfect a job as the factory that assembles the car using an incredibly consistent methodology and huge QC process is almost nil.

bk_911

I agree with this. But I would add it seriously depends on the quality of the technician. Some technicians are great - will install it flawlessly. Others will be a rush job without attention to detail.