SOUL | 718 GT4/Spyder Exhaust Development
04-13-2021, 04:07 PM
#856
Burning Brakes
As most of aren't going to remove/disable the factory diffusor on a GT4/Spyder I don't know what benefit hear a 981 designed exhaust on a 718 is going to provide?
I never set out to recreate the sound of a 981 on my 718 Spyder, this engine has its own song and I personally love what it wounds like especially with an x-pipe rear system, for me there is no reason to want a 981 exhaust note on these cars...
I never set out to recreate the sound of a 981 on my 718 Spyder, this engine has its own song and I personally love what it wounds like especially with an x-pipe rear system, for me there is no reason to want a 981 exhaust note on these cars...
With all due respect, my quote was not directed at you, and I think it's great that you're happy with your setup. My point was simply to try and make progress for those of us who are chasing something along the lines of how the 981 sounds, to see if Soul has clips of their catted headers and OPF combined as perhaps that gets us closer to this goal.
And the benefit to hear a 981 exhaust bolted to a 718 is exactly what I said in my earlier post... if the magic to the 981 sound was down to the internals and not exhaust then at least we know once and for all, and those of us that have been chasing something close to the 981 sound can confidently move on knowing that it's not likely achievable. I indirectly alluded to the fact that if an exhaust manufacturer were to step in and prove that the 981 exhaust on a 718 4.0 isn't going to achieve what the 981 fans that own a 718 4.0 are looking for then they stand to probably open up some sales of their product to those who are holding out for a silver bullet. What I didn't say is that maybe the flipside is it's not in their best interests to mate up a 981 exhaust as that might make for a lot of frustrated folks who have already bought. Not saying this is the case of course, but it does remain a possibility.
I swear I'm just writing my original post but in different words.
04-14-2021, 05:26 PM
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04-14-2021, 05:29 PM
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04-14-2021, 06:03 PM
#860
Burning Brakes
I see nobody wants to touch my 981 discussion... but @Soul Performance , if you wouldn't mind answering the portion directly related to your product. Being:
"Apologies if I overlooked the description of this very setup in one of your videos, but have you done (and posted to YouTube) your usual street testing clip with the configuration of your catted street headers + OAP + stock exhaust?"
"Apologies if I overlooked the description of this very setup in one of your videos, but have you done (and posted to YouTube) your usual street testing clip with the configuration of your catted street headers + OAP + stock exhaust?"
04-14-2021, 06:07 PM
#861
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I see nobody wants to touch my 981 discussion... but @Soul Performance , if you wouldn't mind answering the portion directly related to your product. Being:
"Apologies if I overlooked the description of this very setup in one of your videos, but have you done (and posted to YouTube) your usual street testing clip with the configuration of your catted street headers + OAP + stock exhaust?"
"Apologies if I overlooked the description of this very setup in one of your videos, but have you done (and posted to YouTube) your usual street testing clip with the configuration of your catted street headers + OAP + stock exhaust?"
04-14-2021, 06:35 PM
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Westcoast, I never said that you set out to recreate 981 sound. I am saying that I think it's safe to say that there is a lot of us out here who hold the 981 sound as the gold standard for character, tone and a (somewhat) streetable volume, and look to arrive at something close to it with the 718 4.0. Sure this engine will have it's own song and I'd probably also like the 4.0 to sound at least somewhat different than the 981, but I'd be quite content if it were to sound exactly like the 981.
With all due respect, my quote was not directed at you, and I think it's great that you're happy with your setup. My point was simply to try and make progress for those of us who are chasing something along the lines of how the 981 sounds, to see if Soul has clips of their catted headers and OPF combined as perhaps that gets us closer to this goal.
And the benefit to hear a 981 exhaust bolted to a 718 is exactly what I said in my earlier post... if the magic to the 981 sound was down to the internals and not exhaust then at least we know once and for all, and those of us that have been chasing something close to the 981 sound can confidently move on knowing that it's not likely achievable. I indirectly alluded to the fact that if an exhaust manufacturer were to step in and prove that the 981 exhaust on a 718 4.0 isn't going to achieve what the 981 fans that own a 718 4.0 are looking for then they stand to probably open up some sales of their product to those who are holding out for a silver bullet. What I didn't say is that maybe the flipside is it's not in their best interests to mate up a 981 exhaust as that might make for a lot of frustrated folks who have already bought. Not saying this is the case of course, but it does remain a possibility.
I swear I'm just writing my original post but in different words.
With all due respect, my quote was not directed at you, and I think it's great that you're happy with your setup. My point was simply to try and make progress for those of us who are chasing something along the lines of how the 981 sounds, to see if Soul has clips of their catted headers and OPF combined as perhaps that gets us closer to this goal.
And the benefit to hear a 981 exhaust bolted to a 718 is exactly what I said in my earlier post... if the magic to the 981 sound was down to the internals and not exhaust then at least we know once and for all, and those of us that have been chasing something close to the 981 sound can confidently move on knowing that it's not likely achievable. I indirectly alluded to the fact that if an exhaust manufacturer were to step in and prove that the 981 exhaust on a 718 4.0 isn't going to achieve what the 981 fans that own a 718 4.0 are looking for then they stand to probably open up some sales of their product to those who are holding out for a silver bullet. What I didn't say is that maybe the flipside is it's not in their best interests to mate up a 981 exhaust as that might make for a lot of frustrated folks who have already bought. Not saying this is the case of course, but it does remain a possibility.
I swear I'm just writing my original post but in different words.
I didn't mean to insinuate that your were aiming at me with your comments or discussion and as this is a SOUL thread I am keeping brand names out of it... quick question have you heard any of the 4.0l aftermarket systems in person(?), and IMHO video's are a poor substitute and don't count!
The Spyder is my 6th mid-engine Porsche, I have had stock exhausts, PSE exhausts and rowdy cat-back systems and now on the Spyder a x-pipe design rear section with GPF delete pipes so feel that I have a bit of a frame of reference for how these engines can sound. The stock exhaust is generally reserved and a bit quiet, especially for those wanting a bit more sound, the PSE certainly kicks it up a bit but can be tamed with the off switch, the rowdy cat-back on the 981 was very good and up until lately one of the nicest sound I had heard on these cars however...(and I am not knocking the 981 sound!)
The 4.0l engine has own amazing sound as compared to the 3.4 or 3.8l engines, and if you hear it unleashed from the restrictive GPF and rear section you may just find that it's character is not only unique but gives absolutely nothing away to the older 981 exhaust note and in many ways sounds more exotic in nature.
I don't know if you could get the 4.0l to sound like a 3.8l but from what I have heard there is absolutely no need to, sorry I don't mean to derail your question, it is just that after really 'hearing' the 4.0l engine there doesn't seem to be a point in chasing the 981 sound. Just my humble opinion.
04-14-2021, 06:48 PM
#863
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04-14-2021, 06:52 PM
#864
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and I’m sure when I add street headers it’ll only get worse so these would hide it nicely. Any idea what the current lead time for these would be if I just wanted the tips?
04-14-2021, 07:08 PM
#865
Burning Brakes
Hey Jim didn't you just say this...?
I didn't mean to insinuate that your were aiming at me with your comments or discussion and as this is a SOUL thread I am keeping brand names out of it... quick question have you heard any of the 4.0l aftermarket systems in person(?), and IMHO video's are a poor substitute and don't count!
The Spyder is my 6th mid-engine Porsche, I have had stock exhausts, PSE exhausts and rowdy cat-back systems and now on the Spyder a x-pipe design rear section with GPF delete pipes so feel that I have a bit of a frame of reference for how these engines can sound. The stock exhaust is generally reserved and a bit quiet, especially for those wanting a bit more sound, the PSE certainly kicks it up a bit but can be tamed with the off switch, the rowdy cat-back on the 981 was very good and up until lately one of the nicest sound I had heard on these cars however...(and I am not knocking the 981 sound!)
The 4.0l engine has own amazing sound as compared to the 3.4 or 3.8l engines, and if you hear it unleashed from the restrictive GPF and rear section you may just find that it's character is not only unique but gives absolutely nothing away to the older 981 exhaust note and in many ways sounds more exotic in nature.
I don't know if you could get the 4.0l to sound like a 3.8l but from what I have heard there is absolutely no need to, sorry I don't mean to derail your question, it is just that after really 'hearing' the 4.0l engine there doesn't seem to be a point in chasing the 981 sound. Just my humble opinion.
I didn't mean to insinuate that your were aiming at me with your comments or discussion and as this is a SOUL thread I am keeping brand names out of it... quick question have you heard any of the 4.0l aftermarket systems in person(?), and IMHO video's are a poor substitute and don't count!
The Spyder is my 6th mid-engine Porsche, I have had stock exhausts, PSE exhausts and rowdy cat-back systems and now on the Spyder a x-pipe design rear section with GPF delete pipes so feel that I have a bit of a frame of reference for how these engines can sound. The stock exhaust is generally reserved and a bit quiet, especially for those wanting a bit more sound, the PSE certainly kicks it up a bit but can be tamed with the off switch, the rowdy cat-back on the 981 was very good and up until lately one of the nicest sound I had heard on these cars however...(and I am not knocking the 981 sound!)
The 4.0l engine has own amazing sound as compared to the 3.4 or 3.8l engines, and if you hear it unleashed from the restrictive GPF and rear section you may just find that it's character is not only unique but gives absolutely nothing away to the older 981 exhaust note and in many ways sounds more exotic in nature.
I don't know if you could get the 4.0l to sound like a 3.8l but from what I have heard there is absolutely no need to, sorry I don't mean to derail your question, it is just that after really 'hearing' the 4.0l engine there doesn't seem to be a point in chasing the 981 sound. Just my humble opinion.
1. I haven't heard anything in person, and that's potentially a big part of the problem. Other than the one I sold my 987 to, I have no friends with Porsche's... I'm a bit of a loser.
2. I fully value your opinion as a multiple generation owner and having aftermarket exhaust experience, but ultimately your tastes may not match mine. What I do know is that I heard a 981 GTS creep up beside me one day a few years back and I got a slow roaster in my pants. That was a formative moment and I was really looking forward to that with the 718 4.0 but it got absolutely neutered in the sound department and I'm in a deep funk because of so far falling short to find something that will create the same level of engagement; maybe the Soul street headers + OAP + PSE will be the ticket.
3. I am hoping that de-OPF'ing will get me the majority of the way there, but at least on YouTube, comparing that to 981 stock PSE and it still lacks something. I know the dangers of assessing via YouTube, but I also have a frame of reference from hearing the 981 in person and my stock 718 4.0 in person, so I can at least formulate a hypothesis. Not saying it's going to be right, but it is at least educated to a degree.
04-14-2021, 07:09 PM
#866
Instructor
Hey Westcoast,
1. I haven't heard anything in person, and that's potentially a big part of the problem. Other than the one I sold my 987 to, I have no friends with Porsche's... I'm a bit of a loser.
2. I fully value your opinion as a multiple generation owner and having aftermarket exhaust experience, but ultimately your tastes may not match mine. What I do know is that I heard a 981 GTS creep up beside me one day a few years back and I got a slow roaster in my pants. That was a formative moment and I was really looking forward to that with the 718 4.0 but it got absolutely neutered in the sound department and I'm in a deep funk because of so far falling short to find something that will create the same level of engagement; maybe the Soul street headers + OAP + PSE will be the ticket.
3. I am hoping that de-OPF'ing will get me the majority of the way there, but at least on YouTube, comparing that to 981 stock PSE and it still lacks something. I know the dangers of assessing via YouTube, but I also have a frame of reference from hearing the 981 in person and my stock 718 4.0 in person, so I can at least formulate a hypothesis. Not saying it's going to be right, but it is at least educated to a degree.
1. I haven't heard anything in person, and that's potentially a big part of the problem. Other than the one I sold my 987 to, I have no friends with Porsche's... I'm a bit of a loser.
2. I fully value your opinion as a multiple generation owner and having aftermarket exhaust experience, but ultimately your tastes may not match mine. What I do know is that I heard a 981 GTS creep up beside me one day a few years back and I got a slow roaster in my pants. That was a formative moment and I was really looking forward to that with the 718 4.0 but it got absolutely neutered in the sound department and I'm in a deep funk because of so far falling short to find something that will create the same level of engagement; maybe the Soul street headers + OAP + PSE will be the ticket.
3. I am hoping that de-OPF'ing will get me the majority of the way there, but at least on YouTube, comparing that to 981 stock PSE and it still lacks something. I know the dangers of assessing via YouTube, but I also have a frame of reference from hearing the 981 in person and my stock 718 4.0 in person, so I can at least formulate a hypothesis. Not saying it's going to be right, but it is at least educated to a degree.
04-14-2021, 07:11 PM
#867
Burning Brakes
04-14-2021, 07:12 PM
#868
Instructor
Hey Jim didn't you just say this...?
I didn't mean to insinuate that your were aiming at me with your comments or discussion and as this is a SOUL thread I am keeping brand names out of it... quick question have you heard any of the 4.0l aftermarket systems in person(?), and IMHO video's are a poor substitute and don't count!
The Spyder is my 6th mid-engine Porsche, I have had stock exhausts, PSE exhausts and rowdy cat-back systems and now on the Spyder a x-pipe design rear section with GPF delete pipes so feel that I have a bit of a frame of reference for how these engines can sound. The stock exhaust is generally reserved and a bit quiet, especially for those wanting a bit more sound, the PSE certainly kicks it up a bit but can be tamed with the off switch, the rowdy cat-back on the 981 was very good and up until lately one of the nicest sound I had heard on these cars however...(and I am not knocking the 981 sound!)
The 4.0l engine has own amazing sound as compared to the 3.4 or 3.8l engines, and if you hear it unleashed from the restrictive GPF and rear section you may just find that it's character is not only unique but gives absolutely nothing away to the older 981 exhaust note and in many ways sounds more exotic in nature.
I don't know if you could get the 4.0l to sound like a 3.8l but from what I have heard there is absolutely no need to, sorry I don't mean to derail your question, it is just that after really 'hearing' the 4.0l engine there doesn't seem to be a point in chasing the 981 sound. Just my humble opinion.
I didn't mean to insinuate that your were aiming at me with your comments or discussion and as this is a SOUL thread I am keeping brand names out of it... quick question have you heard any of the 4.0l aftermarket systems in person(?), and IMHO video's are a poor substitute and don't count!
The Spyder is my 6th mid-engine Porsche, I have had stock exhausts, PSE exhausts and rowdy cat-back systems and now on the Spyder a x-pipe design rear section with GPF delete pipes so feel that I have a bit of a frame of reference for how these engines can sound. The stock exhaust is generally reserved and a bit quiet, especially for those wanting a bit more sound, the PSE certainly kicks it up a bit but can be tamed with the off switch, the rowdy cat-back on the 981 was very good and up until lately one of the nicest sound I had heard on these cars however...(and I am not knocking the 981 sound!)
The 4.0l engine has own amazing sound as compared to the 3.4 or 3.8l engines, and if you hear it unleashed from the restrictive GPF and rear section you may just find that it's character is not only unique but gives absolutely nothing away to the older 981 exhaust note and in many ways sounds more exotic in nature.
I don't know if you could get the 4.0l to sound like a 3.8l but from what I have heard there is absolutely no need to, sorry I don't mean to derail your question, it is just that after really 'hearing' the 4.0l engine there doesn't seem to be a point in chasing the 981 sound. Just my humble opinion.
04-14-2021, 07:19 PM
#869
Instructor
Haha, I totally thought Ontario, CA. Funnily enough, I am passing through Windsor, Toronto and Montreal later next year. Not sure if I'll be doing that road trip in my 911 (99%) or Spyder (1%).
04-14-2021, 07:20 PM
#870
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Hey Westcoast,
1. I haven't heard anything in person, and that's potentially a big part of the problem. Other than the one I sold my 987 to, I have no friends with Porsche's... I'm a bit of a loser.
2. I fully value your opinion as a multiple generation owner and having aftermarket exhaust experience, but ultimately your tastes may not match mine. What I do know is that I heard a 981 GTS creep up beside me one day a few years back and I got a slow roaster in my pants. That was a formative moment and I was really looking forward to that with the 718 4.0 but it got absolutely neutered in the sound department and I'm in a deep funk because of so far falling short to find something that will create the same level of engagement; maybe the Soul street headers + OAP + PSE will be the ticket.
3. I am hoping that de-OPF'ing will get me the majority of the way there, but at least on YouTube, comparing that to 981 stock PSE and it still lacks something. I know the dangers of assessing via YouTube, but I also have a frame of reference from hearing the 981 in person and my stock 718 4.0 in person, so I can at least formulate a hypothesis. Not saying it's going to be right, but it is at least educated to a degree.
1. I haven't heard anything in person, and that's potentially a big part of the problem. Other than the one I sold my 987 to, I have no friends with Porsche's... I'm a bit of a loser.
2. I fully value your opinion as a multiple generation owner and having aftermarket exhaust experience, but ultimately your tastes may not match mine. What I do know is that I heard a 981 GTS creep up beside me one day a few years back and I got a slow roaster in my pants. That was a formative moment and I was really looking forward to that with the 718 4.0 but it got absolutely neutered in the sound department and I'm in a deep funk because of so far falling short to find something that will create the same level of engagement; maybe the Soul street headers + OAP + PSE will be the ticket.
3. I am hoping that de-OPF'ing will get me the majority of the way there, but at least on YouTube, comparing that to 981 stock PSE and it still lacks something. I know the dangers of assessing via YouTube, but I also have a frame of reference from hearing the 981 in person and my stock 718 4.0 in person, so I can at least formulate a hypothesis. Not saying it's going to be right, but it is at least educated to a degree.
Not a lot of people will take the chances to buy these expensive parts just to try out different sounds, we don't have deep pockets or perhaps sponsors like Matt at Obsessed Garage, and then add the exchange to the Canadian dilemma and you have the road black defined.
Hang in there, I know there are people in Toronto and Ottawa that have stuff on or going on their cars shortly, as the weather and Covid-19 situation improves you should get the chance to hear things for yourself, I think you may be impressed by some of the offerings!