168glhs1986

Great post. I prefer steering with the throttle anyway so this should be fun. Probably closer to my M2 CS than the GT3.

Ksdaoski

992 GT3rs down force is a whole different ballgame for sure.

Whoopsy

Hmm, you do realized you are comparing apples vs oranges right?

4RS was never designed to be a track monster like the 3RS was. It is a street car that can hold its own on track, but where it really shines in back roads and mountain twisties, roads that would make the whale, aka 992 3RS feels out of place. The smaller 4RS will just glide from one corner to the next without worries of scraping concrete or rock walls.

I have both, and the 3RS is a one dimension track monster, it's is like a fish out of water when put into mountain twisties. A 992 GT3 suffers the same fate as it is just as large. A 991 3RS would put them to shame on mountain roads.

For the last 8 years every summer I head over to Europe to drive the Alps. Porsche first provided 991 turbo S then 992 turbo S after COVID. The bigger 992 simply feels unwieldy in those roads. There was zero incidents during the 991 years but last couple years after they switched to the 992s, each year there was incidents where guests scraped the rear fenders on something, signs, guard rails, you name it.

Alan C.

If you only drive in the mountains the GT4 RS ‘might’ be the better choice. If only on the track it ‘might’ be the 992 GT3. It’s an individual thing. For cheap thrills a well sorted spec Miata would most likely be a lot of fun in the mountains, and cheap!

Justaroofer

I think the issue is alot.... and I mean alot of folks out there want the 4RS to be a champion of all and the limits of the 4RS are quickly found in experienced hands and agreed it's best used as a cruiser. When I said that nearly a year ago many here on RL thought that was blasphemy and an insult to the car as it's a "racecar" that bares the RS brand and belongs on the track. Simply put, it's not.

The 992 is bulky in areas no doubt, and that's half the enjoyment as it's evolved to be more daily worthy with size for most. I can see size being problematic on incredibly narrow Euro roads, but it's not terrible in comparison to prior guns. If accidents are happening I can only speculate why. The 992(especially Turbo S) is so good it give false confidence to many drivers and can very quickly get away for you.

The majesty in the design though is how 991 to 992 we saw a size increase, and yet on the 3RS there was nearly a 100lb gain and yet the design enabled light-years ahead performance. When I have my Turbo S or 4RS out next to one of my ACR-E Vipers I think "damn those cars are huge" and it's funny just to see and by comparison the 992 looks like a Micro machine compared to the footprint of a Pagani or Laferrari for that matter

The 4RS on a Cruise is not sustainable to many for long cruises. Unfortunate but true.

chriswd62

I hardly would say that the 4RS is best used as a "cruiser". It's just as track focused as any RS car. Of course the GT department didn't throw everything they have at it to get the absolute fastest raw track times, and why would they? They have to keep the GT3 products on "pole position", to quote Andy Preuninger, and that includes more aero, tires and a more sophisticated suspension geometry. Many people just like the feeling of the mid engine car, along with the sounds and size of the 4RS. Track worthiness should not be in question here. Not to mention, most people aren't pushing their cars 10/10ths all day long on track. Nobody is winning a trophy at an HPDE. Get the car that suits your style of driving and enjoy on or off track.

jmartpr

From a track only perspective, The 992 GT3RS is the ultimate track car from PAG (for now) no question about it and it's obvious it should be more than capable to eclipse the track performance of the 4RS.
Never the less, the 4RS is so capable as a track car that it will be more than enough for most of us mere mortals besides bringing a different attitude to the 992 models.
Lately I only see threads about "need the downforce" and other specs than on paper (or Cars & Coffee) look good but wonder if people have access to the track(s) and abilities to exploit those attributes.
So what's the price difference between 4RS and 992 3RS? Right.......just enjoy the car for what it is and thank PAG they actually build it, which I never though would happen.

BGB Motorsports

The Cayman doesn't need rear wheel steering and the factory isn't handicapping the car intentionally. You physically can't put a mult-link rear suspension in the back of a Cayman.

As far as balance goes and why you are losing ground to them, when you enter the corner and the car is set up right, it has less understeer than a stock GT3RS BUT...BUT...when you go to push the gas and the inside half of your loaded rear tire and the outside half of your unloaded rear tire aren't even on the ground, you are losing the ability to push yourself down the track. You suck up on their butt just before the apex and then you get drug down the straight.

In addition, the 911s having the *** over the rear tires makes for even better acceleratrion at corner exit because you have dynamic weight being planted on the rear tires.

168glhs1986

I don't think the point of 4RS is about lap times. It sounds like it's a pure drivers car, living on the edge. I'm going out on a limb here and guessing 90% plus of the 992 3RS owners will never take that car to the edge.

If you aren't turning PRO times around any race track in America you don't stand a chance of driving that car to it's fullest. I'm sure it will be fun trying though.

My buddy who is as good as any top amateur driver in the country drives a E36M3 on the track and kicks everyone's ***. Drivers skills > car abilities

Justaroofer

I think we all could agree though.... the 4RS would've greatly benefited with a better rear wing design and/ or larger front splitter. This would help at least compensate for the steering short comings. Sure Porsche was limited with the body and what it could piece into the chassis, but there are ways to overcome such hurdles. I'm no expert, but I can say without a doubt the 4RS leaves alot to be desired when compared at a higher aero car.

The irony to me is the 4RS being built essentially as a Porsche "because we can" type car places it in the C&C category to me. Hell just look at how hard JCR has been pushing and seeking to redesign the 4RS and still cam be bested by a regular GT3. Not knocking it, just making factual observations.

168glhs1986

You guys would know, IMSA racing the 4RS CS. You were nice enough to answer my questions at VIR last summer. Good luck at Daytona! Oh and.....

For the average amateur driver, which car would be more fun on the track? 4RS or 992 3RS? You don't have to answer that if you want to stay neutral so to speak.

168glhs1986

C and C Category? Ouch. I think we all know the 911 Chassis is superior to the Cayman chassis around the track. No one is denying that.

Not directed at you in particular, but go ahead and drive your high aero car around the track. I will have fun beating your times in my M2 CS with ZERO AERO all while going sideways and having more fun. You will definately be more planted though, haha. See you at VIR

@ Daytona.... I also have slip angle going thru the bus stop but man, was his car was really planted. I'll take point by's in the bus stop also but he wouldn't give it

Justaroofer

Lol. The M2CS if a cool pocket rocket and definitely a better bang for buck as are most M cars(have 4 of them).

RDCR

GT4 RS is a C&C cruiser and the only serious track car now for lap times is a 992 GT3RS? Gimme a F-ing break . . . . . . .

Adrift

Blowback from threatened 3RS/911 owners/fanboys who are tired of all the press the 4RS is getting?