panmric

Absolutely, demand won’t be high at this price range, most 718/GT4 buyers won’t take it even with 0k ADM.The GT3 buyers who want to step down to 4RS is also a minority.
PAG knows it, so I guess the ADM won’t be high but the production number also won’t be high. Maybe Everyone who really wants it can get one at stick price at last.GOOD news!

G.Irish

The problem is that there are a lot of people who want a GT3 and can't get one right now (myself included), so some of those people would happily buy a GT4RS with a markup. Even then, like others have pointed out, VIP's are gonna cut heavily into the numbers, then the other whales will take their fill.

The average GT4 customer may not be game for a RS with ADM, but with very low production numbers there are gonna be a lot of customers who can and do pay ADM's that are gonna be in the mix. My local dealerships all have lists of double digits already for the GT4RS. It is all but certain that none of them will get more than half that number, if that. I would be elated to be wrong on this, but the signs aren't good.

Bubba Wibs

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Archimedes

That's where I disagree. I don't think there will be near as much crossover between the GT3 crowd and the 4RS, as most of them just don't view the platform as on par with the GT3. And VIPs can get GT3s, not to mention the coming Sport Classic, ST, and RS, so I really don't think that many of them are going to be chomping at the bit for a 4RS, unless they just buy them at sticker to throw in storage and flip a year later. I think Porsche is smart and that's why they're likely to limit production.

panmric

Here's my guess:
HP=490
US allocations=800
GT4 or GT3 based engine=GT3 based
CL or Studs=CL
Numbered editions=No
WP=Yes
Base ADM=10k-20k
Base Price=135k

JAhmed

Base ADM will be MUCH higher than that.

usctrojanGT3

Yeah, I heard they'll only build 718 GT4RSs and the ADMs will be $200k+. haha

electron mike

My guess... I can't wait for the reveal, and hope I have a shot at one being on a waiting list for years. I also hope they produce it for 2 years, but it seems most RS models are 1 year only.

HP= 493 HP
US allocations= 1250
GT4 or GT3 based engine= GT3
CL or Studs= CL, haven't seen a mule with 5 lug for a while unfortunately
Numbered editions=None
WP=Yes, hemp/flax/natural fiber hood, roof, spoiler, maybe doors like CS. Natural fiber interior trim option.
Base ADM=Loonie tunes maybe 50k
Base Price=132,200

panmric

Certainly, the double digits waiting lists MAY suggest a high demand, but many of them are actually looking forward to a starting price below 120k and 0k ADM. I've talked to some, they think 150k-160k after option is insane for a 718. So, I guess 80% on the list will quit after Nov 17.

G.Irish

Yes but the key part of my argument is that a lot of the GT3 crowd can't get a GT3. By most accounts allocations for 2022 MY are 30% less than the production rate for the 991.2, and all of those allocations are being handed out right now. Yes the average GT3 buyer knows the GT4RS is below the GT3, but if they can't get that GT3 it's the next best thing.
From what I've seen of the VIP's and the heavy hitters is that they just buy these cars because they can. So they'll buy the Sport Classic and the GT4RS and the GT3 if they can get allocations. For a GT4 I was looking at this summer, the previous owner had bought something like 25 cars from that dealer, and he bought the GT4 on a whim. Traded it in with 1500 miles and got a 25th Anniversary Boxster for his wife. Buyers like these can afford to buy any and all of these cars, and part of the draw is that they can always be the first on the block to buy something, even if they don't intend to keep it that long.

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Originally Posted by panmric

Certainly, the double digits waiting lists MAY suggest a high demand, but many of them are actually looking forward to a starting price below 120k and 0k ADM. I've talked to some, they think 150k-160k after option is insane for a 718. So, I guess 80% on the list will quit after Nov 17.

If it works out that way I'll be over the moon. But from what I've seen, there are plenty of people that will eagerly accept a $150-160k GT4RS. I'm sure some will drop off but I don't think it'll be 80%.

JAhmed

LMAOOOO this is next level wishful thinking

Archimedes

The new 992 GT3 is absolutely epic, on another level from all that came before it. People jonesing for that car are simply not going to view the 4RS as a comparable replacement for it, even if it has 500hp. They’re going to hold out for the 3RS, for the same reason few of them bought a GT4. Right or wrong, that crowd views the Cayman platform as pedestrian compared to the 911.

And I laugh at all the people on this sub forum acting as if they’d write a $180k check for one if they could just get an allocation. For most that just total Internet dick swinging bull****.

panmric

I agree on the rest of your comments, but I myself just couldn't see 992 GT3 having a HUGE leap over 991.2 GT3, just modern interior, double wishbone?

GT4 RS

I'm looking at a step-up from my GT4 to an RS (if I'm lucky) but I wouldn't sell my WP RS for the 4RS.

Base cost in the UK, circa £100k to 110k, but who knows?

Chris3963

You guys are arguing over the virtues of the GT3 vs the GT4 RS on the assumption that the buyer is cross shopping the two. There are a huge number of buyers out there that have multiple cars so it's not a question of choosing one over the other, rather its simply a question of whether you are going to get an allocation or not. These buyers will suck up all the limited production very, very easily and even many of those buyers will be disappointed.

In my case, it looks like I am going to be one of the disappointed ones. I put in a signed EOI with a small holding deposit almost 4 years ago when I first heard about the car. I was first name down at my dealer. Well, last week I get the call. My dealer is only getting 2, maybe 3, 4 RSs next year.....and considering I am also getting a GT3 Touring....I would have to choose....GT3 Touring or GT4 RS . They are just trying to be fair to their good customers so at least some get one or the other.

It's a very hard choice...but I have gone for the Touring...but still have my hat in the ring for a 4 RS in case they get more cars.