aerohead80

Glad there's still hope for you on that front...definitely don't give up! So had you told them you wouldn't entertain an ADM or did they just make that assumption? The latter would be frustrating if they didn't at least ask before passing you over.

side

Our original back-and-forth confirmed pricing would be @ MSRP, and that was pretty much one week before everything went insane related to pricing/allocations over the summer, so from a profit-maximizing-business perspective, I get it.

aerohead80

Maybe I'm just old school, but even in a prof-maximizing business you essentially had a deal to be #1 on their allocation list for MSRP. Not a "I'm #1 as long as you can't find others willing to pay over MSRP." Seems scummy and if other dealers are doing that then this whole game is rigged. I would at least expect them to ask you about possibility of ADM first because who knows maybe you were willing to go that route if things had changed by that point.

UncleDude

IMO they shoot for the best deal for them, regardless of the list. If you’re willing to pay an ADM to get one, or have a desirable trade (in their favour) that shoots you to the top of the list. If you want a car in this environment you have to hustle, be lucky, and be prepared to pay up.

Xxyion

I think what bothers me about your situation is the fact you had a deposit in and they had taken your deposit. Now all of a sudden its dealership policy not to take a deposit if there is no allocation? Even though you are "#1" in line? It sounds just like good ole greed to me. By giving you back your deposit and removing you from the list, it sounds like they still want your business but aren't willing to honor the MSRP allocation. Removing you off the list means the agreement to MSRP no longer exists and if you want back on the list they can easily ask for ADM. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if within the next few months they call you saying that they have an allocation but in order to secure it, you would have to pay ADM.

TXshaggy

Lol…someone got a quote a year ago and market conditions changed.

MSRP? That ship sailed a long time ago unless you had a dealer relationship or other variables…for most people.

I wouldn’t sell my house for what it was worth a year ago…why should it be any different with a dealer.

No one is “owed” a car because of a “list”. They are not chronological lists, they’re client lists and are executed by the dealership to benefit the dealership.

side

I don't disagree with any of that. As plenty have said on here previously, if you ain't V200, you don't have ****.

This would be my first Porsche, and Porsche North America referred me to this dealership after an event they invited me to, so I'd be lying to say this hasn't put a bad taste in my mouth, but I'm not losing sleep over it. It's not how I would do business, but it is what it is.

Do I think there is value on not jerking around someone who is entering the brand in an effort to help create dealership/brand loyalty? Yes, but I also think they're willing to gamble that I'm going to like the car and brand regardless of whatever ****ty process they put me through, and I hate to admit it, but they're probably right.

So dear other manufacturers, if you can create a car that competes with what I'd get out of a GT4 without jerking me around for a year, the inbox is open. Otherwise, I'm still typing on Rennlist

aerohead80

I get that the market has changed (look at all of us sitting here paying more $$ right off the bat for MY23s), but they should have at least come back to him and given him the option to buy-in given he had been waiting that long and they had his money.

Rasputin.

Well, Porsche doesn’t sell your house to you at a certain price to sell to a customer, does it? Nor do you expect the new occupants of your house to come back to you for service on the house, or buy a new house from you in a couple of years.

Prime

Have you considered contacting those at PCNA who referred you to this dealership expressing your confusion and dissatisfaction?

Id try and get as much of this cluster fk in writing as you can.

in my experience, not in NA of course, but experience none the less, if you remain factual and civil whilst also putting reasonable pressure on, sometimes you can get a surprisingly good outcome. If you roll over and cop it sweet, nothing will change to your benefit.

Xxyion

yeah I agree with all that too unfortunately. I'm the same where this is my first Porsche ever and while I didn't have the same experience as you and I did manage to secure an allocation this week, the entire process of this "waitlist" and essentially bidding your way to an allocation left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth.

Hope you do manage to find an allocation for a price you can live with!

TXshaggy

Apparently you’ve never seen the small print on the bottom of the Porsche Build and Price…dealer sets actual sales price.

I’ll defer to dealer management on how to best manage clients and inventory.

Mojonito

what happened to the other gt4?

JKen_0115

If PCNA can see my order in their system and V070, does it mean the dealer doesn’t fool me around or just put me on the list?

When the dealer get the allocation, they can decide how to fulfill it or just take care the people on the list rather than the one in the system. Is that correct?

sorry I’m trying to understand how it work. It’s my first P car.

TXshaggy

There is no limit to V070 Demand Orders submitted by dealers.

Dealer receives an allocation and can allocate it to whomever they wish, V070 or not.

Best to have a relationship with someone in the dealership to understand where you are in the pecking order. How many on the list and state of ADM.