I don’t use slide rules, have owned three electrics and yet I disagree with your take in many important ways. I do enjoy changing gears, using a brake pedal and many other “flaws” of ice cars. So even Tesla owners opinions differ, and that’s ok...

 

I'm capable of using a slide rule, but I don't.

Of course this has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about.

 

That's why I stated "I" call it boring.

 

You do not know Dock... He operates machines far more advanced than 99% of these forum members ever experienced... And yes he surely does understand the man/machine interface.

 

This!

 

I don't need any torque to place my Boxster anywhere I want. If you don't brake, you don't need HP/torque. If you weigh 4000lbs+ you must brake, so you must have torque to get back up to speed. I guess we all have different concepts of what "real driving" is all about.

 

Guys gear shift, whether you do it or the machine does it, is a bitch. You will learn eventually. BTW that's the slide rule analogy.

 

Lol... I’m still waiting to see the light. Personally I’ve only owned a couple dozen different cars and driven over 10x that number. But I’m sure that epiphany is coming... if only I had your “experience level”.

 

I just sold a Model 3 and a Model X this weekend to family members. They were in town for the weekend and fell in love with our Model X. Both ordered online.

 

Once again just like slide rules decades ago great if you love what you got. I'm only letting you know newer and greater things are coming.

 

That's subjective.

 

EV’s “superiority” fad over ICE is almost completely based on the the “climate crisis” (trace gas CO2 => greenhouse effect) fad. Sooner or later, every fad faces truth/reality.

 

This thread is so funny, can program in 5 languages, have a Ph.D, first ever publication was in Nature - oh and I can use a slide rule and vernier callipers - there are some absolute clowns in here - just ignore them

I own a few rather good performance cars - there isn't a single EV that approaches them for performance, enjoyment and fun - the EV is the current version of the Trabant and all the joyous things that go along with that. Ultimately the EV will come of age, largely when they make sense to Joe public. F150 sales look pretty good . why?

 

You're doing more that that, unfortunately. You're stating your opinion that electrics are the better driver's tool as fact. The problem with that is that someone like Groundhog might actually believe you. Until he jumps into your two wheel drive Model 3, that is, and finds it terrible from his perspective: comically under-sprung and under-damped to the point that the chassis contacts over bumps, lacking in precision, grip and high speed acceleration with poorly calibrated stability control you can't turn off and brakes that smoke within a mile of serious pushing. He doesn't necessarily know that your comparison point is a base model Porsche that's over a decade old and that your idea of "spirited" driving is decelerating at no more than .2 Gs so that you don't need to use the brake pedal. From his point of comparison, modern high end GT cars and track/ road-race competition level driving your car's likely to be one of the worst he's driven is some time in virtually every way.

By stating your opinion as fact you're unwittingly one of those guys damaging the credibility of all Tesla and EV owners. That in turn gives hope to someone like HF1 here...
...that the old "head in the sand" strategy will work and these electrics will all go away if he just closes his eyes long enough. Because if Tesla owners are so blatantly wrong about their cars from some other's perspectives then surely the car world will soon wake up. Not understanding that while Groundhog's perspective is completely valid for him electrics are already superior for a large and rapidly growing percentage of car owners. And that's independent of a person’s thoughts re climate change. I've covered my own elsewhere in this thread.

 

The car market is far from free. Without the globally coordinated govt circus of ("How dare you!") panic-spreading and (anti-CO2) laws, regulation, and subsidies, EV's would lose 95% of the appeal they enjoy today. This fear-mongering makes restrictive "CO2" regulations, subsidies, and heavy batteries (which cost and pollute to produce and dispose of) much more palatable. It may take a while but every circus eventually leaves town.