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As much as I love the turbo concept, and I had a few over the years, I could not bring myself to buy a 991 or a 992 turbo on the account of being both AWD (this is ok if you need to use it all year around) and moreover PDK only.
Having owned 930s, 964 turbo, 993 turbos, 996 turbo and a 997 turbo ... I now have a 991 Touring, the Dakar and the only 911 turbo in my garage is a very peculiar 993 GT that sits hafway between road and track car.
Now looks like Porsche may be pulling out one of those tricks we all love ... taking a page from the 991.1 R to 991.2 Touring script: looks possible that they may be preparing some kind of "Touring package" for the next turbo, potentially including RWD and manual into a package resembling the 992.1 Sport Classic, save for the duck-tail.
I would personally be very intetested in such a car, even if with an hybrid powertrain and substantially down on power compared to the top of the line turbo S with AWD and PDK (which will probably be over 700 hp).
To me it would be a good alternative to the GT3 Touring for long trips (over 500 miles roundtrip) where you can appreciate a less frantic engine and a lower noise on the highway.
Also I would love to be able to spec it with a sunroof like a regular turbo.
Hopefully it could happen and be a regular version like the Touring was.
I assume that there may be a new version of the "manualized" PDK as it was offered in the past and that it could handle substantial more torque than the one in the 992.1 (570 Nm in GTS and 600 in SC) as the one with the integrated hybrid module can already handle 610 Nm in the 992.2 GTS.
What does the turbo community on Rennlist think, will it happen and would such a variant get a positive reception or it would be underwelming as down on power versus the turbo S?
Less power and a manual? No thanks, I’d go for a GT3.
The AWD is for winter driving? lol
I love the traction of the TTS. Never have you felt acceleration like a modified TTS with good tires on the street… spinning ain’t winning!
Edit, have you even a had some decent seat time in a 992 TTS??
Thank you for your opinion, that I respect.
No, I did not try a 992 TTS but I test drove a 991 TT back in the day when I was looking to substitute my 997 TT and it was not the car for me ... I went back to a lovely used 993 turbo WLSII (one of the last built in MY 1998).
My current AWD 911 is the Dakar and yes I drive it mostly on snow in the wintertime.
Porsche is apparently putting some effort into this project, as they built a specific tail for the prototype, different from the regular carrera tail: see pictures below.
AWD is not only for winter. Without AWD, the power and most definitely the insane levels of torque will make the car very difficult to control. With AWD there is stupid levels of traction and probably why even with crazy levels of aftermarket tune, the car is pretty consistent and finds traction even when there isn’t any. Mercedes and BMW flagship cars have some sort of AWD now and for a reason.
Manual in a GT3 yes. in a turbo? You can barely nail the shifts with PDK since the power hits like a sledgehammer and you run out of revs way too quickly since it’s a turbo. I just don’t see a manual a good pairing for a turbo at least not since 997.
I have all but given up waiting for a GT3 Touring allocation at this point so the RWD Turbo manual interests me a lot (owned back to back manual Carrera T’s - 991.2 and 992).
The real question is the powertrain / transmission and power level. The .2’s are ratcheting up the power levels significantly. And the new GTS isn’t far off from the Sport Classic’s hp numbers and it has more torque. We know the SC was limited by the 7 speed transmission torque levels so it will be interesting if Porsche decides to just offer the same engine output at SC (knowing the 7 speed is at the torque limit, albeit self-imposed and conservative) or do they make some meaningful tweaks to the 7 speed to cope with more torque?
I do think due to low worldwide take rate, reengineering an entirely new transmission is out of the realm of possibility.
AWD is not only for winter. Without AWD, the power and most definitely the insane levels of torque will make the car very difficult to control. With AWD there is stupid levels of traction and probably why even with crazy levels of aftermarket tune, the car is pretty consistent and finds traction even when there isn’t any. Mercedes and BMW flagship cars have some sort of AWD now and for a reason.
Manual in a GT3 yes. in a turbo? You can barely nail the shifts with PDK since the power hits like a sledgehammer and you run out of revs way too quickly since it’s a turbo. I just don’t see a manual a good pairing for a turbo at least not since 997.
^^ Exactly this. The AWD system is not so you can get to the office in a snowstorm, its so the car doesn't kill you.
Take a 992 TTS out, with good fuel in it, hold down the traction button till PSM is off completely, try hold that pedal down as much as you can haha
PS, the Dakar is awesome and that is a great pic! I would kill to have one for winter driving, all year action here (Canada). That is what that car is meant for, go anywhere, anytime. But I think you might be a bit confused why the TTS has AWD, this is not an E63 AWD business cruiser. (Although it could be, that is the trick of the TTS and how you option it and what mode you drive it in)
Thank you for your opinion.
Looks like most turbo owners would rather have higher power with PDK and AWD rather than a "detuned" version with RWD and a manual.
On a side note, one could argue that if a 997 chassis could handle 620 hp with RWD and a manual back in 2011 in 997 GT2 RS form ... than maybe Porsche could repeat the same drivetrain combination that was given to the 992.1 Sport Classic again for a larger pool of customers (if they exist) with the 992.2.
Another sidenote is the fact that despite the success of modern turbo 911s being AWD since 1995 other high performance car manufacturers are offering high performance cars with over 800 hp and RWD (but not manual).
One aspect that I love about my Touring is that to most people looks like any other 911 ... and to me it looks more beautiful than the winged GT3, RS and turbo ...
You can have big HP with RWD, its just hard to put the power down. Then it becomes, what good is all the power if you can't put it down into the pavement?
Me personally, I think the sports classic is a flop. Its a de-tuned turbo, with a manual and a huge price tag. Limit quantities so the collectors will scramble, but car wise for me, I would rather have a touring.
TTS and GT3 Touring = ultimate combo. If you're really wealthy, throw in a Dakar too.
Given that TT/TTS will likely have hybrid powertrain I think chances for manual are slim to none.
What makes you think that? Why could they not offer a hybrid Turbo S/GT2RS and non-hybrid Turbo?
The 992.2 platform already has 4 confirmed unique engines. 3.0L turbo, 3.6L hybrid, 4.0L naturally aspirated, and the Turbo (hybrid almost guaranteed). They are not afraid to add more engines to the platform and if this manual Turbo is based on the current engine, it’s not a difficult proposition at all.
I wonder if what we see them testing is a hybrid GT3 touring with turbo engine, so NOT a turbo, but GT3.... No more NA...
I hope Porsche will increase the choice and the number of variants with the 992.2 and not decrease!
Hopefully they will go down the same route they travelled with the 718: the last generation before the EV transition gets all the possible spicy variants.
Anyhow I believe that the 4.0 liter high revving is confirmed in the 992.2 as it has been seen in production ready prototypes with the digital dash and the 9000 rpm limit.
You can have big HP with RWD, its just hard to put the power down. Then it becomes, what good is all the power if you can't put it down into the pavement?
Me personally, I think the sports classic is a flop. Its a de-tuned turbo, with a manual and a huge price tag. Limit quantities so the collectors will scramble, but car wise for me, I would rather have a touring.
TTS and GT3 Touring = ultimate combo. If you're really wealthy, throw in a Dakar too.
I actually quite like the Sport Classic and would have purchased one if given the chance ... but was able only to get the allocation for the Dakar ... and I am happy anyway.
Maybe I will have a second chance with the RWD turbo of the OP above and Porsche will buit one for me ... ;-)
06-02-2024, 12:27 PM
992.2 turbo RWD & manual with "touring package"?
