iso87

My thinking is emissions and the removal of the Manual option from GTS that's a hybrid powertrain. Also not sure if porsche have a MT gearbox that could handle the turbo torque? Maybe the car in the pics is the 992.2 SC, let's hope its even more special than .1

Re the engines you mentioned you can add 4.0 Turbo from the 992.1 GT2RS.

cebe

Thank you Silversurfer for the additional confirmation ... I cross my fingers, as it would fit my bill for a Grand Tourer kind of 911!

vcp13

I am a little confused by this one. Has there ever been a turbo without a whale tail or wing of some kind?

Schn3ll

One that I know of: https://www.imsa.com/news/2022/03/21...-for-this-930/

Omega12

Would you get bucket seats and rear seat delete on 992.2 Turbo manual?

cebe

That is a legitimate question.

On Porsche side:
- there was never a GT3 product without a wing until the R came in the 991.1 and on the base of the success they went on and included the Touring as a package for the 991.2

On customer side:

- there was apparently demand for the 992.1 Sport Classic and there may be still demand for the same formula in a non-limited car, same combination of special engine with classic look as the Touring but with a total road driving focus as opposed to a combination of road and track

cebe

A few reference points about weight:

992.1 turbo S is declared 1.640 kg DIN
997.1 turbo manual was declared 1585 kg DIN
992.1 Sport Classic was declared 1570 kg DIN

I do not imply that one is better than the other, these are just the objective weights of the different cars.

cebe

Personally not the buckets, as I would do little track, but I would delete the rear seats as I do not have small children and love the space in the back to store luggage for longer trips.

Schn3ll

I would not do buckets either. On the fence with rear seats, I don’t use them either but weight is negligible, and it has potentially more resale appeal with the seats.

I personally know 2 911 owners who won’t buy a GT3 touring only because the lack of backseat option for their kids.

Schn3ll

Also interesting the weight delta between the 992 S vs 4S is 105lbs (https://newsroom.porsche.com/dam/jcr...ifications.pdf)

So let’s say 48kg for just the AWD delete, and the current Turbo wing with actuators may be another 5kg delta vs. the Carrera wing. Manual is roughly 20kg lighter than PDK. And then you’d have to think that the front aero goes away like the Sport Classic as well (maybe another 5-10kg) and then you are within spitting distance of the SC weight minus some of the carbon body parts.

Hopefully it stays under 3,500lbs.

cebe

Back seats and potentially sunroof may be two options that could differentiate substantially a "turbo with Touring package" from a "GT3 with Touring package", granted they would still be both RWD and manual.
I personally saw a 992 Sport Classic used with winter tires and a child seat in the back: definitely a daily driver for the mega rich, but this kind of customer is out there and willing to spend considerably more than the list price of a regular carrera.

We know how Porsche is master of segmentation with the 911 and tries to cater to any marginal customer out there ... naturally for a price.

amitlikhyani

If you have a Turbo S, theoretically you could make it a sport classic if the manual is that important to you. Pull the PDK and the AWD system and front drive shaft, install the Sport Classic manual, narrower brake pedal and figure out how to drill the hole in the bulkhead for the clutch and then dial over 100 horsepower out of your motor. Say it's $40K minus whatever you get for your used PDK and AWD parts. I would not do it but I suspect it's possible and cheaper than selling your turbo S and getting a sport classic out of some collectors barn. You keep the active aero too. That is if you absolutely don't care about resale value. Like someone else said though: the turbo and it's 7200 RPM redline and ridiculous torque is not a good fit for a manual.

silversurfer6

Or just put a deposit and wait for the 992.2 Turbo manual.

Billy Bluejay

will it be available with a duck tail? Heritage interior?

cebe

From the pictures above the new car would be different from the SC in that it would do without the ducktail and would have some kind of hybrid drivetrain.