992.2 turbo RWD & manual with "touring package"?
06-10-2024, 07:41 AM
#76
Three Wheelin'
Just read on Reddit the following potential linup, it makes some sense to me:
992.2 Turbo 3.6 twin e turbo + e motor 640 PS (585 gas + 55 e motor) RWD + manual option; presentation 1/2025
992.2 Turbo S 3.6 twin e turbo + e motor 710 PS (655 gas + 55 e motor) AWD + PDK only presentation 1/2025
I would add that 655 hp from the ICE sounds a lot to me for a lambda 1 compliant unit, I see the turbo or turbo S getting a 3.8 liter unit.
Just pure speculation.
992.2 Turbo 3.6 twin e turbo + e motor 640 PS (585 gas + 55 e motor) RWD + manual option; presentation 1/2025
992.2 Turbo S 3.6 twin e turbo + e motor 710 PS (655 gas + 55 e motor) AWD + PDK only presentation 1/2025
I would add that 655 hp from the ICE sounds a lot to me for a lambda 1 compliant unit, I see the turbo or turbo S getting a 3.8 liter unit.
Just pure speculation.
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cebe (06-10-2024)
06-10-2024, 09:48 AM
#77
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What about e-motors on the front axle? That would make sense to me as the differentiator between the turbo and turbo-S. There seems to be room up front for a bigger battery pack and the weight of the front axle e-motors would be partially offset by the removal of the mechanical FWD system.
The above would make room for a "classic" turbo RWD with manual.
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CanAutM3 (06-10-2024)
06-10-2024, 09:36 PM
#78
I think it would be worth it. The battery would power 2 e-turbos instead of 1 of the GTS.
And we know the Turbo S is going to be hybrid, so it would be weird to position the base Turbo as non-hybrid all together.
From the consumer standpoint, there would be a weird gap in the assortment between GTS and Turbo S with no hybrid. So the Turbo could be seen as “inferior” to some without any hybridization (not to us nut jobs on the forums mind you).
I think they do the dual eTurbo for the base Turbo, as it also provides a meaningful upgrade vs. .1 cars. Gotta give people a reason to upgrade (other than just manual), and this could be a way to tell Sport Classic owners “look, yours is the only ICE manual 992 Turbo”
And we know the Turbo S is going to be hybrid, so it would be weird to position the base Turbo as non-hybrid all together.
From the consumer standpoint, there would be a weird gap in the assortment between GTS and Turbo S with no hybrid. So the Turbo could be seen as “inferior” to some without any hybridization (not to us nut jobs on the forums mind you).
I think they do the dual eTurbo for the base Turbo, as it also provides a meaningful upgrade vs. .1 cars. Gotta give people a reason to upgrade (other than just manual), and this could be a way to tell Sport Classic owners “look, yours is the only ICE manual 992 Turbo”
06-11-2024, 07:33 AM
#79
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- SC was the last ICE turbo RWD with manual
- 992.2 turbo will be last turbo with RWD and manual even if hybrid
Works every time.
On the positive side we may get many variations of a desirable product, like what happened with 991 R and the subsequent Touring manual variants.
I do not complain, more possibility to actually get one's desired 911.
06-11-2024, 10:48 PM
#80
If they come out with a TT, rwd, manual what do you think the price point would be. I would guess between a GTS. and TTS.
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06-12-2024, 03:57 AM
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06-12-2024, 07:29 AM
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In my humble opinion, in order to make an educated guess about the pricing of a potential 992.2 turbo RWD and manual the first question that needs to be answered is the emission level of such a variant.
If the variant in question will have reduced hybrid capability versus the turbo S and higher ICE power compare with the GTS, then it follows that will be considered a "polluting" variant like the GT division products.
At least in Europe Porsche shall cap the production of high emitting variants either with a direct action (limited edition, finite production slots) or with indirect (i.e. pricing).
Starting from the postulate that this variant would not be a limited edition I assume that Porsche would not want to leave money on the table.
Consequently my impression is that they would position such a niche variant at the same price level as the much more powerful and faster turbo S and at an higher price than the future GT3.
Demand will be there, anyhow, for 2000-3000 cars/year worldwide, that is probably what Porsche can safely target for an additional "polluting" variant.
Porsche does not want a traditional (i.e. RWD and manual) turbo variant to eat into their sales of top of the line turbo S or GTS at a "discounted" price point ... just my view.
If the variant in question will have reduced hybrid capability versus the turbo S and higher ICE power compare with the GTS, then it follows that will be considered a "polluting" variant like the GT division products.
At least in Europe Porsche shall cap the production of high emitting variants either with a direct action (limited edition, finite production slots) or with indirect (i.e. pricing).
Starting from the postulate that this variant would not be a limited edition I assume that Porsche would not want to leave money on the table.
Consequently my impression is that they would position such a niche variant at the same price level as the much more powerful and faster turbo S and at an higher price than the future GT3.
Demand will be there, anyhow, for 2000-3000 cars/year worldwide, that is probably what Porsche can safely target for an additional "polluting" variant.
Porsche does not want a traditional (i.e. RWD and manual) turbo variant to eat into their sales of top of the line turbo S or GTS at a "discounted" price point ... just my view.
06-12-2024, 11:51 AM
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06-12-2024, 11:54 AM
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06-12-2024, 03:11 PM
#87
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Out of this total the turbo S is about 2/3.
So I guess that about 2000 units worldwide may be a reasonable target for a turbo RWD and manual.
Just my wild guess.
At a price that would be potentially around 300k € in Europe for performance that, with the limitations of the RWD and the manual box, would be probably in line with the GTS and far lower than the turbo S ... demand would be limited to someone who really wants this kind of car.
Flippers may see the GT products as a safer bet to make money.
06-12-2024, 09:27 PM
#88
Three Wheelin'
In my humble opinion, in order to make an educated guess about the pricing of a potential 992.2 turbo RWD and manual the first question that needs to be answered is the emission level of such a variant.
If the variant in question will have reduced hybrid capability versus the turbo S and higher ICE power compare with the GTS, then it follows that will be considered a "polluting" variant like the GT division products.
At least in Europe Porsche shall cap the production of high emitting variants either with a direct action (limited edition, finite production slots) or with indirect (i.e. pricing).
Starting from the postulate that this variant would not be a limited edition I assume that Porsche would not want to leave money on the table.
Consequently my impression is that they would position such a niche variant at the same price level as the much more powerful and faster turbo S and at an higher price than the future GT3.
Demand will be there, anyhow, for 2000-3000 cars/year worldwide, that is probably what Porsche can safely target for an additional "polluting" variant.
Porsche does not want a traditional (i.e. RWD and manual) turbo variant to eat into their sales of top of the line turbo S or GTS at a "discounted" price point ... just my view.
If the variant in question will have reduced hybrid capability versus the turbo S and higher ICE power compare with the GTS, then it follows that will be considered a "polluting" variant like the GT division products.
At least in Europe Porsche shall cap the production of high emitting variants either with a direct action (limited edition, finite production slots) or with indirect (i.e. pricing).
Starting from the postulate that this variant would not be a limited edition I assume that Porsche would not want to leave money on the table.
Consequently my impression is that they would position such a niche variant at the same price level as the much more powerful and faster turbo S and at an higher price than the future GT3.
Demand will be there, anyhow, for 2000-3000 cars/year worldwide, that is probably what Porsche can safely target for an additional "polluting" variant.
Porsche does not want a traditional (i.e. RWD and manual) turbo variant to eat into their sales of top of the line turbo S or GTS at a "discounted" price point ... just my view.
Last edited by CanAutM3; 06-12-2024 at 09:28 PM.
06-13-2024, 01:29 AM
#89
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@OP - I’m not sure I get the point. Why does anyone buy a Turbo/S? Angryinch right on why all the features (awd, Pdk, etc) are standard on the car.
cheers,
L76
cheers,
L76
06-13-2024, 11:39 AM
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