Reference Guide to PTS
05-06-2016, 02:25 PM
#2506
Nate, I'm wondering if that may have been part of the issue. However, I did request from Exclusive to compare the sample I sent with factory samples for Signal orange, and I was assured this was something they would do for me. The spray out card came from a Porsche certified shop in town too. I believe that some colours just won't pass the tests very well nowadays. But unfortunately without knowing what the problem was, I am not sure I know how to improve my chances with this particular colour, or if it's even worth reattempting to pass Signal orange. Any advice?
05-06-2016, 10:47 PM
#2508
A THANK YOU to Eduardo and the other RS/PTS crazies here. If it wasn't for RL I would have never even thought of PTS...which is probably what Porsche would prefer.
Here it is in a snug harbor. The best option on this car is the LO microfiber.
Here it is in a snug harbor. The best option on this car is the LO microfiber.
05-07-2016, 01:04 AM
#2509
Thanks. Well, it's a tough call. Definitely worth the effort if you could be assured it would pass and you could then get a PTS allocation. Otherwise, I agree, there are other ways to spend one's energy.
05-07-2016, 01:14 AM
#2510
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
PCA's Panorama at the IMSA Laguna Seca race this past
weekend. In discussing the topic, he mentioned that he
thinks that PTS cars have a superior finish to the standard
'stock' cars known to be painted at Zuffenhausen. He
specifically mentioned to me the superb paint (lack of
orange peel in particular) on our friend Jeff Zwart's old
PTS 'Meerblau' 997 gt3 RS 4.0 Limited Edition:
I hope Pete, a frequent Rennlist contributor, chimes in
on his thoughts on the subject. He recently wrote an
editorial about PTS in Panorama, so he is quite knowledgeable
on the subject!
By the way, our own 'Sportscentury', my good friend from
Idaho, wrote an interesting letter to the editor in response
to Pete's PTS column. You can read it in the latest edition
of Panorama:
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it was that it's no cost option on the RS7! On anything else
at Audi today, including the new version of the R8, it's a costly
Paint-to-Sample option!
My RS7 at delivery with a shaky camera!
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relies in the contribution of many here on Rennlist!
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Here is something I wrote for another thread but which I
think should be included here for the record!
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for the better is to contact Porsche (via 'Porsche Exclusive'
reps, for example) & let them know how you feel as a
Porsche customer!
Porsche Cars North America, Inc.
Porsche Exclusive - Personal Design Studio
One Porsche Drive
Atlanta, GA 30354
E-Mail: PersonalDesign@porsche.us
****
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at a VW plant in Hannover. That arrangement will shortly end
& all welding & painting on the Panamera will be shifted to
Leipzig. The plan is to move final assembly of the Cayenne
to the Volkswagen Bratislava Plant, where a good portion of
that model is already done (welding together, paint & initial
assembly). That will free up space in Porsche Leipzig for all
the Panamera production, from A to Z ('sauf' engines, which
are all done at Zuffenhausen). The Macan is presently the
only model built (primarily) at Porsche Leipzig.
The Cayman are now all done at the VW Karmann plant in
Osnabrück. That plant initially also assembled 981 Boxsters
but demand for the gt4 has made it mostly now a Cayman-
only assembly line. The 718 & 991 are built in Zuffenhausen.
And if Porsche does indeed sub-contract all PTS to a third
party, my bet would be that the facility used is the massive
Volkswagen's Mosel-Zwickau factory. That, believe it or not,
is where all Bentley Continental GT & GTC bodies are welded
& painted before they are shipped to Crewe England for final
assembly at that venerable factory!
Panorama of the Volkswagen Mosel-Zwickau factory
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Here's what I wrote in that email. It is my conjecture only, based
on my interpretation of observations. Full disclosure: I am NOT
in the know about how PTS really works. I'd love to be proved
wrong, but I think PTS is being managed in a very deliberate way.
"I've gotten the impression that PTS has turned into something
completely different from a standard option. It seems more and
more like PAG is using PTS to reward VIP customers and dealerships.
The way they've conducted PTS for the R was the pinnacle of this
practice. (It was entirely cloaked in secrecy: PTS allocations were
not randomly handed out, but were offered only to those with
exceedingly high VIP status but without any clarity other than to
those who were in the know.) Same with how they've made the
list confidential. And how they don't announce windows.
It's almost as if PTS is so popular and it's value beyond the list
price (massive impact on resale value, wow factor, prestige,
rarity, historic connection, etc), that PAG is now using that to
their advantage by making it a way to create a pecking order.
It's basically a way to give some customers preference and
special treatment above and beyond the allocation of the car
itself.
I think in order to maintain and benefit from this practice,
PAG has likely made a decision to keep PTS shrouded in
mystery. This secrecy allows them to set the rules and
creates a greater value for PTS. I'm not sure they currently
want all of the information about PTS made public. And I
suspect that is why you haven't yet been able to make the
trip to speak with them about PTS. I'm getting the feeling
it's basically what they want.
The truth is, we all (on RL) have benefited from information
that has put us in a position to take advantage of something
when ordering our cars (knowledge of options, what's desirable,
what colours are significant, what is the likely importance or
rarity of a new model, etc). Like you, I've tried to be open
about information that I've obtained. However, I have also
been entrusted with info that I've kept confidential. I suspect
the latter is the way PAG wants PTS to operate. Like a grey
market for information to those they want to inform.
While I think it would be great if you could get an interview,
I suspect all the info that PAG is willing to share has already
been shared with you. So tbh I'm doubtful they'll offer up
much more if and when you do meet with them.
I've just been getting that feeling more and more as I think
about things. I was fortunate to get PTS on my (originally
2014 spec) GT3. But in the intervening few years it has
gotten much harder for first time customers like me. Now
it is a huge accomplishment to land a PTS slot."
And it is really irking many customers when PTS is unachievable.
As today's "PTS Confidential"
poll
seems to indicate, there is very strong (90% or more) support
from some of Porsche's most loyal, knowledgeable, and passionate
enthusiasts (yes, RLer's, take a bow) to make the PTS approved
colour list public. I hope this little bit of info will help emphasize
that point with PAG.
Thanks again, Eduardo, for all your help and info about PTS.
I benefitted a lot from it, and I hope others will be able to
continue to do so in the future. PAG, LISTEN TO EDUARDO,
AND PLEASE GIVE HIM THE CHANCE TO SPEAK TO YOUR
REPRESENTATIVES CANDIDLY ABOUT THE PTS PROGRAM!
on my interpretation of observations. Full disclosure: I am NOT
in the know about how PTS really works. I'd love to be proved
wrong, but I think PTS is being managed in a very deliberate way.
"I've gotten the impression that PTS has turned into something
completely different from a standard option. It seems more and
more like PAG is using PTS to reward VIP customers and dealerships.
The way they've conducted PTS for the R was the pinnacle of this
practice. (It was entirely cloaked in secrecy: PTS allocations were
not randomly handed out, but were offered only to those with
exceedingly high VIP status but without any clarity other than to
those who were in the know.) Same with how they've made the
list confidential. And how they don't announce windows.
It's almost as if PTS is so popular and it's value beyond the list
price (massive impact on resale value, wow factor, prestige,
rarity, historic connection, etc), that PAG is now using that to
their advantage by making it a way to create a pecking order.
It's basically a way to give some customers preference and
special treatment above and beyond the allocation of the car
itself.
I think in order to maintain and benefit from this practice,
PAG has likely made a decision to keep PTS shrouded in
mystery. This secrecy allows them to set the rules and
creates a greater value for PTS. I'm not sure they currently
want all of the information about PTS made public. And I
suspect that is why you haven't yet been able to make the
trip to speak with them about PTS. I'm getting the feeling
it's basically what they want.
The truth is, we all (on RL) have benefited from information
that has put us in a position to take advantage of something
when ordering our cars (knowledge of options, what's desirable,
what colours are significant, what is the likely importance or
rarity of a new model, etc). Like you, I've tried to be open
about information that I've obtained. However, I have also
been entrusted with info that I've kept confidential. I suspect
the latter is the way PAG wants PTS to operate. Like a grey
market for information to those they want to inform.
While I think it would be great if you could get an interview,
I suspect all the info that PAG is willing to share has already
been shared with you. So tbh I'm doubtful they'll offer up
much more if and when you do meet with them.
I've just been getting that feeling more and more as I think
about things. I was fortunate to get PTS on my (originally
2014 spec) GT3. But in the intervening few years it has
gotten much harder for first time customers like me. Now
it is a huge accomplishment to land a PTS slot."
And it is really irking many customers when PTS is unachievable.
As today's "PTS Confidential"
poll
seems to indicate, there is very strong (90% or more) support
from some of Porsche's most loyal, knowledgeable, and passionate
enthusiasts (yes, RLer's, take a bow) to make the PTS approved
colour list public. I hope this little bit of info will help emphasize
that point with PAG.
Thanks again, Eduardo, for all your help and info about PTS.
I benefitted a lot from it, and I hope others will be able to
continue to do so in the future. PAG, LISTEN TO EDUARDO,
AND PLEASE GIVE HIM THE CHANCE TO SPEAK TO YOUR
REPRESENTATIVES CANDIDLY ABOUT THE PTS PROGRAM!
to our collective knowledge of PTS at Porsche!
***
Mind Boggling: PAG, pick 20 colors from the PTS list,
charge $10,000 as an option. Done. Want a super
special color? $15,000
Ferrari charges $12,500 for OUT OF RANGE COLOR
(PAG PTS) paint colors and $26,500 for true PTS
(if you want your car to match your sofa).
Porsche should use this terminology as well
charge $10,000 as an option. Done. Want a super
special color? $15,000
Ferrari charges $12,500 for OUT OF RANGE COLOR
(PAG PTS) paint colors and $26,500 for true PTS
(if you want your car to match your sofa).
Porsche should use this terminology as well
Well, he is not that far off! How about 'Paint to Wife's Shoe'?
Or 'Paint to North Hollywood Hot Rod'
Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale
05-07-2016, 11:30 AM
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05-07-2016, 11:32 AM
#2512
05-07-2016, 11:33 AM
#2513
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05-07-2016, 01:15 PM
#2514
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Pre-Delivery photo shoot. More to come later.
Birch green (licht grun) Porsche color #253 PTS.
05-07-2016, 01:32 PM
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05-07-2016, 01:53 PM
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05-07-2016, 02:16 PM
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consolidated, which blue is it?
what a couple with the 997.1
congrats W8MM - please share with us 100 pics as soon done.
i just checked out wills insta.
good new stuff! --> https://www.instagram.com/ptsrs/
what a couple with the 997.1
congrats W8MM - please share with us 100 pics as soon done.
i just checked out wills insta.
good new stuff! --> https://www.instagram.com/ptsrs/
