New Ontario Emmissions Test
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Burning Brakes
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New Ontario Emmissions Test
Need a bit of advice. My test isn't coming up soon but might as well start the ball rolling on research.
Got a CEL on my car due to the recent installed of the FABSPEED 200 CEL X-CAT (even with 1 oxygen extension)
2 options.. prefer to go with 2 or 3 if possible.
1) The light does not come up right away after a "reset" (battery disconnect or durametric tool. So maybe I'll "prepare" the car after a CEL reset and have my fingers crossed?
2) ECU tune. I've read a post that an ECU tune will cause your car to fail the new OBD scan ? Either going with EVOMSIT or Softronic. At least this wil clear the CEL code
3) Any possible way to disable/ the CEL with a durametric tool?
Has everyone done recent had to do the new emmissions test or any inputs/comments would be greatly appreciated.
Got a CEL on my car due to the recent installed of the FABSPEED 200 CEL X-CAT (even with 1 oxygen extension)
2 options.. prefer to go with 2 or 3 if possible.
1) The light does not come up right away after a "reset" (battery disconnect or durametric tool. So maybe I'll "prepare" the car after a CEL reset and have my fingers crossed?
2) ECU tune. I've read a post that an ECU tune will cause your car to fail the new OBD scan ? Either going with EVOMSIT or Softronic. At least this wil clear the CEL code
3) Any possible way to disable/ the CEL with a durametric tool?
Has everyone done recent had to do the new emmissions test or any inputs/comments would be greatly appreciated.
Drifting
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Just clearing the code isn't necessarily enough: the new Driveclean rules require (with some exceptions) that the car has run all its diagnostic routines after the CEL reset. This means that you can't just clear the light and roll into the test -- depending on the car and time of year, you may have to drive it for anywhere between a couple of hours and a couple of weeks.
Regarding the exceptions I mentioned, one obvious one is the evaporative vapour purge system if you do the test in the winter, since it won't ever get warm enough for the system to cycle. I just got a car passed that was still showing that warning (not a CEL, just a warning from the system on a scan tool). They will not, however, let it by with an O2 sensor or catalytic converter warning at any time of the year.
Regarding the exceptions I mentioned, one obvious one is the evaporative vapour purge system if you do the test in the winter, since it won't ever get warm enough for the system to cycle. I just got a car passed that was still showing that warning (not a CEL, just a warning from the system on a scan tool). They will not, however, let it by with an O2 sensor or catalytic converter warning at any time of the year.
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so are we saying they connect to the obd port now ? thats the only way they can monitor this .. and every manufacturers version of OBD 2 is a little different beyond the basic codes..
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well this is a bit disconcerting .. looks like there is no sniffer anymore ( real time to see if you are putting out polutants ) . They are gonna pull your obd history .. even if your CEL is not lit you might have a code in there from an o2 sensor or SAI issue , this is common .. now they can say " look you have acode" need to fix that ..
i see lots of potential gouging here.
i see lots of potential gouging here.
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well this is a bit disconcerting .. looks like there is no sniffer anymore ( real time to see if you are putting out polutants ) . They are gonna pull your obd history .. even if your CEL is not lit you might have a code in there from an o2 sensor or SAI issue , this is common .. now they can say " look you have acode" need to fix that ..
i see lots of potential gouging here.
i see lots of potential gouging here.
Now I am worried about my GIAC chip and if it screws up the monitors.
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Burning Brakes
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man what a headache.. i guess it's just too new and ecu tunes porsches haven't had to go through it yet.. lucky for me is that mine isn't coming up until next year so hopefully something will change or a solution will come forth
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Drifting
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I have a very tuned Audi and a Flexfuel Suburban which both passed the new test just fine. The Audi (with an APR ECU tune and a lot of other stuff) did it when they were rolling this test out in my area in August, back when a traditional test was still an option, but it wasn't required.
If your car is throwing a CEL for O2 sensor issues, you may not be getting the most out of it, anyway.
If your car is throwing a CEL for O2 sensor issues, you may not be getting the most out of it, anyway.
Drifting
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They are already turning people away who don't have enough drive cycles in the ECM - say they just got their car serviced a day or two before the test (where the battery was disconnected) and they are NOT refunding the fee either. They tell you to go home and drive around for a week and come back (and pay $13 bucks). This test does not favor people who decide to get their car serviced before the test; people who wait until the last week or so before their sticker expires and then go do the test and something goes wrong at the last minute.
Already the test is causing havoc with the used car dealers as reported in the Star last week as the lazy ones are not using code readers before sending the cars off to do the test thinking they should be 'ok' because no CEL is displayed. Wrong. Any code showing in the ECU but not turning on a CEL is still subject to a 'fail'. So basically everyone has to run out and buy code readers just to figure out if they will pass or not? I don't agree with the system as not every P code shown in memory relating to emissions means the car is polluting. There are many scenarios where a code is generated not for failure, but a communications issue between the sensor and the ECU. Moisture being one issue and vibration another. Just another screw up by the Liberals to show how 'green' they are despite evidence that the real polluters are American coal burning power stations in the Ohio valley and pre-1988 POS cars that are being pulled out of bone yards and sort_a_kinda rebuilt and sold for a few grand. Of course our beautiful Northern Ontario is free and clear to pollute (and vote Liberal - or else...) all they want as the Clean Air Act does not apply to them. What a bunch of horse s**t.
Already the test is causing havoc with the used car dealers as reported in the Star last week as the lazy ones are not using code readers before sending the cars off to do the test thinking they should be 'ok' because no CEL is displayed. Wrong. Any code showing in the ECU but not turning on a CEL is still subject to a 'fail'. So basically everyone has to run out and buy code readers just to figure out if they will pass or not? I don't agree with the system as not every P code shown in memory relating to emissions means the car is polluting. There are many scenarios where a code is generated not for failure, but a communications issue between the sensor and the ECU. Moisture being one issue and vibration another. Just another screw up by the Liberals to show how 'green' they are despite evidence that the real polluters are American coal burning power stations in the Ohio valley and pre-1988 POS cars that are being pulled out of bone yards and sort_a_kinda rebuilt and sold for a few grand. Of course our beautiful Northern Ontario is free and clear to pollute (and vote Liberal - or else...) all they want as the Clean Air Act does not apply to them. What a bunch of horse s**t.
Drifting
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I'm not defending the system, but this isn't true. There is latitude for some emissions warnings, as my post stated. The example I gave was the evaporative purge system warning. My Suburban just passed on Monday with that warning clearly displayed on the test sheet.
Drifting
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I just did my '02 Jetta a few weeks ago for my stickers are due this month. It's an APR tune. I had to replace a thermostat in December because I had no heat, and it was throwing a coolant CEL.
The CEL needs to be gone, and it has to run 'green' on your scanner. I never clued in before researching my drive clean, but when the CEL is cleared from the dash's memory it has to pass a bunch of tests before it will stay away. This is usually done with a couple hundred km of driving (a couple days by my commute).
I use an OBDII scanner from Partsource, bought a few years back. It has a red light (CEL on), yellow light (CEL cleared), and green (OBD ready mode).
The drive clean I did in January just basically made sure my car was in ready mode. They didn't question my missing tailpipe (my car has dual tailpipes from single muffler).
Got my Drive Clean done, but now my CEL is back. I have a problem with the 2nd O2 sensor on that vehicle, but I suspect it may be the 11yr old CAT with 240,000km on it.
at Charlie: isn't EVAP directly emissions related?
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The CEL needs to be gone, and it has to run 'green' on your scanner. I never clued in before researching my drive clean, but when the CEL is cleared from the dash's memory it has to pass a bunch of tests before it will stay away. This is usually done with a couple hundred km of driving (a couple days by my commute).
I use an OBDII scanner from Partsource, bought a few years back. It has a red light (CEL on), yellow light (CEL cleared), and green (OBD ready mode).
The drive clean I did in January just basically made sure my car was in ready mode. They didn't question my missing tailpipe (my car has dual tailpipes from single muffler).
Got my Drive Clean done, but now my CEL is back. I have a problem with the 2nd O2 sensor on that vehicle, but I suspect it may be the 11yr old CAT with 240,000km on it.
at Charlie: isn't EVAP directly emissions related?
P
Drifting
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Yes, it is. As I said, it isn't true that ALL the routines have to have run. The Suburban I had tested this week showed a yellow light warning for the evap system on our OBD II scanner. One of our Toyota farm trucks passed three weeks ago with two yellow light warnings, but neither of them was the O2 or catalyst.
In both cases, the missing or 'not ready' values were on the printed report declaring it a pass.
In both cases, the missing or 'not ready' values were on the printed report declaring it a pass.
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.. and although i sniff clean every year I have a dead SAI blower ( same system as 993 ) so the light is always on .. this could be BAD news for 993 drivers with sai issues..