Originally Posted by ekam

Actually fat slobs have weak immune system and do put others at risk by easily getting infected and need to be on a ventilator.

https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/obe...-covid-19.html

Adults with excess weight are at even greater risk during the COVID-19 pandemic:

• Having obesity increases the risk of severe illness from COVID-19. People who are overweight may also be at increased risk.
• Having obesity may triple the risk of hospitalization due to a COVID-19 infection.
• Obesity is linked to impaired immune function.2,3
• Obesity decreases lung capacity and reserve and can make ventilation more difficult.4
• A study of COVID-19 cases suggests that risks of hospitalization, intensive care unit admission, invasive mechanical ventilation, and death are higher with increasing BMI.5
  • The increased risk for hospitalization or death was particularly pronounced in those under age 65. 5
• More than 900,000 adult COVID-19 hospitalizations occurred in the United States between the beginning of the pandemic and November 18, 2020. Models estimate that 271,800 (30.2%) of these hospitalizations were attributed to obesity.6

Originally Posted by strathconaman

So, I have my vaccines, and would experiment on my children when the time comes for them to get it, but have a different view about public policy and lockdowns:

The last 16 months have been great for the CEO, management and all the high skilled workers on their laptops at home. It has been less good for the janitor.

Their economic situation isn't as rosy as ours, and health outcomes are tied to economic status. The pandemic has disproportionately hit low income and new Canadians. They are also less likely to trust in traditional medicine.

They are also more dependant on government services, the services that will inevitably be cut to service our CERB debt.

The increased mortality rate among these groups in the coming decade will likely outstrip the Covid deaths.

It is their children among the missing cohort in our schools. They never signed up for on line learning. Some of them will never return to school, and they were the ones who needed it the most.

So by letting doctors set public policy, we have chosen today over tomorrow. But they always prioritize the acute over the chronic, that is how they were trained.

And it is why they shouldn't be allowed to set public policy.

Originally Posted by tuffcalc

Ok ... assume the fat slob is double vaccinated in my example

Originally Posted by Imo000

Where did you get all this data from?

Originally Posted by 997turbocab

Ok so help me understand then why do we allow people to smoke, be obese, Drink? All things that are not healthy for you and put a burden on our healthcare system? What is the difference? Drugs are bad...yet instead of getting rid of Meth our government gives it out for free (Methodone clinics anyone?)


What happened to "my body my choice"? Or is that only applicable when you are murdering another human being that is living inside you?


When was the last time Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson and Johnson ever produced a current vaccine that we actually use?

Originally Posted by 928gt

We don't allow people to smoke in restaurants, shops or building hallways where the smoke endangers others. We don't allow people to drink when they are behind the wheel of a car because they again endanger others. As for being obese or people being on methadone, neither group endangers others (and for the methadone users, it is the lesser of two evils when we are actually trying to save their lives).

What you put in your body is indeed your choice, and you DO have a right to refuse to be vaccinated. However, you DO NOT have a right to endanger others. You do not have a right to work in a healthcare setting or a nursing home. You do not have a right to travel to another country. You do not have a right to go to a restaurant, a cinema, a hockey game or a concert. Just like driving, those are privileges, not rights. If you want to get behind the steering wheel, you can't be drunk and you need to satisfy other requirements (including medical ones) in order to be licensed to drive. The same principle applies here.

Originally Posted by tuffcalc

I agree with you but this is where Canada is backwards. You DO have the right to be a healthcare worker and be unvaccinated ... at least at this point. The hospitals, for example, are afraid of potential human rights violations.

I don't think they are seeing this correctly. It's a human rights violation if an unvaccinated carrier of covid infects me. I would be happy to test this in court.

Originally Posted by tuffcalc

The difference is you are putting others at risk. If you become a fat slob and blow up your heart, it's your problem. If you are an unvaccinated superspreader, it's our problem.

Originally Posted by 928gt

We don't allow people to smoke in restaurants, shops or building hallways where the smoke endangers others. We don't allow people to drink when they are behind the wheel of a car because they again endanger others. As for being obese or people being on methadone, neither group endangers others (and for the methadone users, it is the lesser of two evils when we are actually trying to save their lives).

What you put in your body is indeed your choice, and you DO have a right to refuse to be vaccinated. However, you DO NOT have a right to endanger others. You do not have a right to work in a healthcare setting or a nursing home. You do not have a right to travel to another country. You do not have a right to go to a restaurant, a cinema, a hockey game or a concert. Just like driving, those are privileges, not rights. If you want to get behind the steering wheel, you can't be drunk and you need to satisfy other requirements (including medical ones) in order to be licensed to drive. The same principle applies here.

Originally Posted by Bud Fox

ok so you're afraid an unvaccinated person will infect you with a disease that you've been vaccinated against?

Everyone should just look after themselves and be less judgmental of other people's choices

Originally Posted by tuffcalc

He got it from Facebook. He is also smarter on the issue of public health than a doctor who spent 20 years in school dedicating their lives to the health of others ... because they are very stupid people who have no common sense and only consider the short-term effects of issues such as covid.

Originally Posted by Bud Fox

ok so you're afraid an unvaccinated person will infect you with a disease that you've been vaccinated against?

Everyone should just look after themselves and be less judgmental of other people's choices

Originally Posted by Imo000

Where did you get all this data from?

Originally Posted by CanuckGT4

Ok, let's make this simple so people can understand.
1. unvaccinated people pass it between themselves mostly, causing mild illness in most and severe in a few. It's unnecessary, why would you want to get a disease when you could prevent it in the first place? There is no medal for going through an illness like this.
2. more people getting severe problems put an unnecessary burden and cost on the medical system which we all have to pay. well the ones who work do.
3. constant surges in infections lead to having to wear masks, travel restrictions etc... some people don't care about that but others do. do we want to be in a perennial state of lockdown where we can't do things because someone is too afraid of a vaccine? silly.

vaccinated people are NOT afraid of you, we just want to get back to normal life. why is that so hard to understand?
the more pertinent question is, why are YOU so afraid of a vaccine that is safe and effective. get your big boy pants on and get with the rest of society and don't be such a burden.

Originally Posted by Bud Fox

Whether I am vaccinated or not is private medical info between me and my family doctor
I don't have to shout to everyone whether or not I am vaccinated.
Do you have a bumper sticker that says "I am a hero and vaccinated against Covid-19 variants excluding delta" ?