Originally Posted by My993C2

I am not part of this bet, but this does sound fair. Wipe the slate clean from this point moving forward. Who scores the most points in the last 10 races of the season? Alonso or Vettel?

As far as comparing Alonso, Vettel and Hamilton. They are three different types of drivers. Vettel is the least experienced of the three though Hamilton is not that far ahead of him and we are still seeing Vettel develop. Alonso is the most experienced and he seems to have a good mix of when to be aggressive and when to hold back. Hamilton is pure driving talent, but Hamilton seems to think he is the 2nd coming of Ayrton Senna and is doing the same things Senna did (ie: Lewis will put his car on a part of the track where there will be collision and let the other driver decided if they want to get into an accident). When these tactics work, Hamilton looks brilliant. When they don't work there is a lot of carbon fiber lying on the track. I see Vettel as he gains more experience becoming more like Alonso (being aggressive when he needs to, but also holding back if need be since you can not win races if you do not finish). Lewis on the other hands wants to be another Senna who once said, "The moment you stop going for the gap is the moment you cease being a race car driver". It's okay for Lewis to be ambitious and trying to emulate Senna. Let's just hope he never goes over the edge with his ambition.

Originally Posted by Pete

In fairness to Raj, Wayne didn't take the bet either. I'm ready to ship my bottleof Patron to you, but want to make sure Wayne does the same.

There's a lot of poultry around here lately....

Originally Posted by 333pg333

It's funny how we keep reading that Webber is considered a sort of 2nd class slowpoke but still a racer. I'd be willing to bet he has set more fastest laps than most over the last few years.

Originally Posted by Circuit Motorsports

That is completely counter to your earlier look at Webber when you said he was a racer. I think he's a great speed guy but I don't think of him as a racer. Out front he can walk the field but I don't ever think of his name as someone who will bring a car up through the field. I do think he is tough as hell to pass too but I don't know if I think of that as racing although as I type this I think it should be.

It still tough to figure out who really is a good racer with the way the F1 car behaves. Ridiculously short braking zones, crazy aero, awesome tires etc. take a lot of the chances for the 'racer' to really shine.

Originally Posted by morganabowen

All this talk about Webber is silly, since all you have to do is look at the WDC 2011 points to note that Webber is second only to Vettel, and ahead of everybody else. With the exception of Vettel, Webber has more points then all the other drivers

Originally Posted by A.Wayne

BWAAAAAAAYYY


Wasn't Vettel in a superior car chased down and beaten by Button in Cananda.Made a fool of himself right there.......

Boy wonder or Boy Blunder ...................

Originally Posted by 968TurboS

LOL. funny. How long did it take Vettel to pass Hammy? Oh wait a sec, he couldn't pass Hammy. Alonso didn't have any such problem and made it look easy. So, if RBR was that much better or if Vettel is that great, why couldn't he pass Hammy? Vettel is good when he is ahead, he has yet to show any passing skills.

Originally Posted by morganabowen

I don't think that Webber's days in F1 are numbered I'm sure he can go to Renault, Ferrari or even McLaren, not to mention the slower teams like Sauber and Force India. Webber is a F1 driver and he will be here for a few more years

Originally Posted by 333pg333

Ha, clearly you know all about being an F1 driver. Of all the years and years of hard work it takes to reach the absolute pinnacle of this sport. May we all bathe in your aura, seriously.
If Webber was considered a ***** by the industry he would be dropped like a stone. In fact he is liked by the other teams and journos and is in demand from others. He speaks his mind and intelligently. If I was in his position I would be trying to overtake Vettel under those circumstances and so would Vettel had the roles been reversed. Webber said as much.
Somehow when Vettel wins he does it all on talent, yet when Webber does well it's because he's in the best car? Btw, someone has to drive the best car. Shouldn't be held against them.
The team should be applauded for making such a car. Now, we have the goalposts being shifted mid season just to appease Ferrari and others. I can't see why this couldn't be taken to court for an infraction of the rules.

Originally Posted by wilhelm

No I didn't mean a race, that wouldn't be close at all. I win and get your 968 Turbo, you win and get my Mazda 3!

Yes a friendly wager, I win and you change your pic to Red Bull and refer to Alonso as DV for 6 months. You come up with what I have to do if I loose.

Originally Posted by Circuit Motorsports

That is completely counter to your earlier look at Webber when you said he was a racer.

Originally Posted by Larry Herman

Yeah, but that was then and this is now, right?

Originally Posted by Circuit Motorsports

When will then be now?

Soon

Originally Posted by paradisenb

Paaallleeese! Hamilton let Alonso by. He NEVER put up a fight. He knew he did not have the car to win and that it was in his best WDC interest to help someone get more points than Vettel. Total 'Uncle' move on LH's part.

Originally Posted by A.Wayne

You need a good Butterfly sponge to handle larry's ping pong logic .......
So much for that lucky victory 92 Points behind and Vettel cant sleep


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93045


Vettel says Red Bull must react to Ferrari's performance



"It was a tough race and Ferrari was very quick, Fernando in particular, and they beat us," said Vettel in a post race video interview with Red Bull. "We need to accept it, and to understand when you get beaten you have to accept it.

Originally Posted by 968TurboS

I think you type faster than you think. If this is your logic behind Lewis "letting" Alonso pass him, why the heck did he pass Alonso earlier in the 1st place.
So if Alonso passes someone, then the driver lets him pass them, nice! There is not a single driver in F1 that would just let someone pass, as long as they are both fighting for points. Prior to the race, Lewis was leading Alonso in the Drivers Standing. It makes no sense for him to let Alonso get ahead of him.
Nice try though.

Originally Posted by paradisenb

Hey! I was watching the British GP, the one where LH did not have enough fuel in his car to push to the end without running out of fuel on track. He passed Alonso, then reality on the McLaren strategy of making their car lighter in order to be competitive, after the 'give Ferrari a win', rules change went into effect.