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Felipe Massa
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Nico Rosberg
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Nick Heidfeld
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Vitaly Petrov
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Rubens Barichello
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Pastor Maldanodo
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Adrian Sutil
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Kamui Kobayashi
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Sergio Perez
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Sebastien Buemi
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Jamie Algersuari
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Jarno Trulli
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2011 British Grand Prix
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I am not part of this bet, but this does sound fair. Wipe the slate clean from this point moving forward. Who scores the most points in the last 10 races of the season? Alonso or Vettel?
As far as comparing Alonso, Vettel and Hamilton. They are three different types of drivers. Vettel is the least experienced of the three though Hamilton is not that far ahead of him and we are still seeing Vettel develop. Alonso is the most experienced and he seems to have a good mix of when to be aggressive and when to hold back. Hamilton is pure driving talent, but Hamilton seems to think he is the 2nd coming of Ayrton Senna and is doing the same things Senna did (ie: Lewis will put his car on a part of the track where there will be collision and let the other driver decided if they want to get into an accident). When these tactics work, Hamilton looks brilliant. When they don't work there is a lot of carbon fiber lying on the track. I see Vettel as he gains more experience becoming more like Alonso (being aggressive when he needs to, but also holding back if need be since you can not win races if you do not finish). Lewis on the other hands wants to be another Senna who once said, "The moment you stop going for the gap is the moment you cease being a race car driver". It's okay for Lewis to be ambitious and trying to emulate Senna. Let's just hope he never goes over the edge with his ambition.
As far as comparing Alonso, Vettel and Hamilton. They are three different types of drivers. Vettel is the least experienced of the three though Hamilton is not that far ahead of him and we are still seeing Vettel develop. Alonso is the most experienced and he seems to have a good mix of when to be aggressive and when to hold back. Hamilton is pure driving talent, but Hamilton seems to think he is the 2nd coming of Ayrton Senna and is doing the same things Senna did (ie: Lewis will put his car on a part of the track where there will be collision and let the other driver decided if they want to get into an accident). When these tactics work, Hamilton looks brilliant. When they don't work there is a lot of carbon fiber lying on the track. I see Vettel as he gains more experience becoming more like Alonso (being aggressive when he needs to, but also holding back if need be since you can not win races if you do not finish). Lewis on the other hands wants to be another Senna who once said, "The moment you stop going for the gap is the moment you cease being a race car driver". It's okay for Lewis to be ambitious and trying to emulate Senna. Let's just hope he never goes over the edge with his ambition.
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Vettel is not in the same zip code as those 2, put him in the Ferrari or Mclaren and watch Button and or Massa take care of him , no need for Alonso or Hamilton ....
Then we can talk ....
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That is completely counter to your earlier look at Webber when you said he was a racer.
I think he's a great speed guy but I don't think of him as a racer. Out front he can walk the field but I don't ever think of his name as someone who will bring a car up through the field. I do think he is tough as hell to pass too but I don't know if I think of that as racing although as I type this I think it should be.
It still tough to figure out who really is a good racer with the way the F1 car behaves. Ridiculously short braking zones, crazy aero, awesome tires etc. take a lot of the chances for the 'racer' to really shine.
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It still tough to figure out who really is a good racer with the way the F1 car behaves. Ridiculously short braking zones, crazy aero, awesome tires etc. take a lot of the chances for the 'racer' to really shine.
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Presha is coming , Vettel doesn't handle presha well , just like the other faux WDC, Schumacher and Button. his training wheels will start to wobble , Alonso will out score him from here out ...
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LOL. funny. How long did it take Vettel to pass Hammy? Oh wait a sec, he couldn't pass Hammy. Alonso didn't have any such problem and made it look easy. So, if RBR was that much better or if Vettel is that great, why couldn't he pass Hammy? Vettel is good when he is ahead, he has yet to show any passing skills.
Ha, clearly you know all about being an F1 driver. Of all the years and years of hard work it takes to reach the absolute pinnacle of this sport. May we all bathe in your aura, seriously.
If Webber was considered a ***** by the industry he would be dropped like a stone. In fact he is liked by the other teams and journos and is in demand from others. He speaks his mind and intelligently. If I was in his position I would be trying to overtake Vettel under those circumstances and so would Vettel had the roles been reversed. Webber said as much.
Somehow when Vettel wins he does it all on talent, yet when Webber does well it's because he's in the best car? Btw, someone has to drive the best car. Shouldn't be held against them.
The team should be applauded for making such a car. Now, we have the goalposts being shifted mid season just to appease Ferrari and others. I can't see why this couldn't be taken to court for an infraction of the rules.
If Webber was considered a ***** by the industry he would be dropped like a stone. In fact he is liked by the other teams and journos and is in demand from others. He speaks his mind and intelligently. If I was in his position I would be trying to overtake Vettel under those circumstances and so would Vettel had the roles been reversed. Webber said as much.
Somehow when Vettel wins he does it all on talent, yet when Webber does well it's because he's in the best car? Btw, someone has to drive the best car. Shouldn't be held against them.
The team should be applauded for making such a car. Now, we have the goalposts being shifted mid season just to appease Ferrari and others. I can't see why this couldn't be taken to court for an infraction of the rules.
This almost cost me a keyboard.
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You need a good Butterfly sponge to handle larry's ping pong logic .......
So much for that lucky victory
92 Points behind and Vettel cant sleep![jumper](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/jumper.gif)
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93045
Vettel says Red Bull must react to Ferrari's performance
"It was a tough race and Ferrari was very quick, Fernando in particular, and they beat us," said Vettel in a post race video interview with Red Bull. "We need to accept it, and to understand when you get beaten you have to accept it.
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So much for that lucky victory
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Vettel says Red Bull must react to Ferrari's performance
"It was a tough race and Ferrari was very quick, Fernando in particular, and they beat us," said Vettel in a post race video interview with Red Bull. "We need to accept it, and to understand when you get beaten you have to accept it.
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I now know why people on this forum hate Alonso. Its A. Wayne plain and simple as his personal fanboy
Alonso doesn't need him or me to sing his praises, he let his driving do the talking on Sunday in a car that is only supposed to see a podium on occasion and at that the 3rd step.
Wayne -- when you show up only after Alonso wins and haven't been seen since BEFORE the last race of the 2010 season you lose all credibility. Save your opinions for yourself. True Alonso fans dont need you to fly the flag.![soapbox](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/soapbox.gif)
Alonso has been the model of a great driver and team player, never complaining and never giving up. Those that predicted he would bring down ferrari can see that he is the only one keeping them in the game!
Alonso doesn't need him or me to sing his praises, he let his driving do the talking on Sunday in a car that is only supposed to see a podium on occasion and at that the 3rd step.
Wayne -- when you show up only after Alonso wins and haven't been seen since BEFORE the last race of the 2010 season you lose all credibility. Save your opinions for yourself. True Alonso fans dont need you to fly the flag.
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Alonso has been the model of a great driver and team player, never complaining and never giving up. Those that predicted he would bring down ferrari can see that he is the only one keeping them in the game!
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So if Alonso passes someone, then the driver lets him pass them, nice! There is not a single driver in F1 that would just let someone pass, as long as they are both fighting for points. Prior to the race, Lewis was leading Alonso in the Drivers Standing. It makes no sense for him to let Alonso get ahead of him.
Nice try though.
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You need a good Butterfly sponge to handle larry's ping pong logic .......
So much for that lucky victory
92 Points behind and Vettel cant sleep![jumper](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/jumper.gif)
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93045
Vettel says Red Bull must react to Ferrari's performance
"It was a tough race and Ferrari was very quick, Fernando in particular, and they beat us," said Vettel in a post race video interview with Red Bull. "We need to accept it, and to understand when you get beaten you have to accept it.
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So much for that lucky victory
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93045
Vettel says Red Bull must react to Ferrari's performance
"It was a tough race and Ferrari was very quick, Fernando in particular, and they beat us," said Vettel in a post race video interview with Red Bull. "We need to accept it, and to understand when you get beaten you have to accept it.
Someone is getting nervous. I guess he knows if Ferrari didn't have a brain fart last yr, Vettel should have never won his 1st WDC.
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I think you type faster than you think. If this is your logic behind Lewis "letting" Alonso pass him, why the heck did he pass Alonso earlier in the 1st place.
So if Alonso passes someone, then the driver lets him pass them, nice! There is not a single driver in F1 that would just let someone pass, as long as they are both fighting for points. Prior to the race, Lewis was leading Alonso in the Drivers Standing. It makes no sense for him to let Alonso get ahead of him.
Nice try though.
So if Alonso passes someone, then the driver lets him pass them, nice! There is not a single driver in F1 that would just let someone pass, as long as they are both fighting for points. Prior to the race, Lewis was leading Alonso in the Drivers Standing. It makes no sense for him to let Alonso get ahead of him.
Nice try though.
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Hey! I was watching the British GP, the one where LH did not have enough fuel in his car to push to the end without running out of fuel on track. He passed Alonso, then reality on the McLaren strategy of making their car lighter in order to be competitive, after the 'give Ferrari a win', rules change went into effect.
So, it was ok to let Alonso go but not Vettel? LOL