FFaust

So many pearls in here. I wish that there was a repository somewhere, a cheat sheet, if you wish, of all the one-liners and concepts.

There's just no way to remember all this, and reviewing the thread regularly is out of the question.

cannon1000

It is amazing how may drivers, even at the Formula One Level, think that the brakes are for slowing the car down. -Mario Andretti

HiWind

copy that Francois - great thread to visit .. repeatedly

hey VR et al - your insight would be most appreciated!
Talking about skidpans ... thankfully I was on one at PDExperience last week!

https://rennlist.com/forums/996-gt2-...-the-kink.html

Veloce Raptor

Well, I don't know that track. However, it appears you held steering way too long there (look at the yellow line on your steering wheel) when you knew the rear was going away...and look at all the track to your right as a result just before she let go. IMO had you released steering lock before apex, and tracked out all the way, you'd have had a greater chance of avoiding that Code Brown moment.

Nice save, though...wow

HiWind

Yes if I had been off the racing line to the right I would have avoided the glycol spill for sure.
The next turn is a right hander sweep so after the kink one has to move back to left of track to
make t 3. I figure I could have tried harder to counter lock before back went left onto grass
But glad to be safe and car unscathed. Wasn't time to **** myself so all dry too

After some more refelction I should add that I think I sensed/saw the shine ... but also didn't see any flags ...
so I thought "what the hell, lets check it out" - big mistake to assume the flagmen would pick up everything - self reliance required, especially on track

RickBetterley

Hey coaches
Can you share some tips as to how you detect drivers not looking down track when you are buckled in, wearing you HANS, and otherwise unable to actually see the driver's eyes?
I think this is one of my real failings as an instructor.
Thanks

fleadh

Put a GoPro on the dash pointed at the drivers face. Worked great for me...

-mike

RickBetterley

Just what I need; a more self conscious student!

Veloce Raptor

Ask the student what they are looking at. Have them narrate a lap or two regarding where they look. It will tell you everything you need to know. Then, you can start making suggestions on places to look tthat are farther ahead.

Works every time!

Matt Romanowski

You can tell by how they commit to corners, apply throttle, and turn in.

When I was probably in the white group, I took an instructor out with me at Watkins Glen - probably about 10 years ago. She kept telling me eyes up when I was not looking far enough ahead. I would look up and pick up the pace. This happened about 10 times in the session. As we were driving in, I realized I had sun glasses on and she had no idea where I was really looking. When quized on it, she said it was all to do with how I was driving. Still holds true for everyone I've ridden with.

Or you can just tell them to look up since we are almost all not looking far enough ahead anyways.

ProCoach

+1!

PedroNole

Ditto for the throttle application.

ProCoach

The audio track of in-car video is like gold!

KaiB

I've got to learn to open my eyes at the scary corners!

At the moment I simply turn in, throttle up, shut my eyes and go flat when I feel a bump at the apex. But it seems to work OK....

Bob Rouleau

Drivers not look far enough ahead (i.e. into the corner) tend to:
- Overbrake
-Turn in a bit late
- Go to the gas at or after the apex even on corners where an earlier turn in and throttle application is preferred and OBVIOUS if you look into the corner early enough.