Ray S

I thought Massa did a good job of defending and Button deserved the penalty (he flat out broke the rules). His best shot to give back the position was right after Alonso went into the pits (that way he'd only lose one spot). I understand he was obviously "hot" from the heat of the battle, but he would have been better off if cooler heads would have prevailed on the pit wall and told him to give it back.

During the battle it looked like the Ferrari had superior straight line speed and the McLaren appeared faster in the corners.

Ray S

Great points

MJSpeed

No, again, like I said before ALONSO GETS PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT. I CAPS LOCKED it, not in an attempt to scream at you but rather to ensure that you don't miss it this time, as apparently you did the last 4-5 times I said that.
+1 Look at that we agree on something.

My993C2

Button did a no-no, he was not in front of Massa coming into turn 11 (he was side by side at best) and then he cut the corner for turn 12. He should have immediately given Massa back the position (while trying to prevent Alonso from passing him). But thanks to the "Team orders now allowed", Ferrari pounced on the situation and put Alonso ahead of Massa and you have to guess that Button did not want to give Alonso a freebee. Except of course a drive through penalty hurt Button more than giving Alonso the freebee. I like Button, but I am afraid Jenson screwed himself here thinking turns 11 and 12 were places you can pass in that scenario fighting the two Ferraris.

Larry Herman

As one who likes Jensen (but realizes that he isn't the fastest guy out there Wayne) it was nice to see him fighting for position. I hope that he drives with renewed vigor this year. It would be nice to see him get another victory or 2.

Ray S

So I point out that Alonso got a "cakewalk" pass from Massa and I'm a "hater" and should "******* grow up"

One page later and now you agree with the assessment.

Looks like there are two things we agree on. Too bad we had to go through the colorful semantics to get there.

gums

I couldn't stand to see Massa so blatantly blocking Button and I wish he got crashed out for it.
He was very clearly slower and resorted to driving like an adolescent, which we now see on a regular basis.
Blocking should be punished, and the "one-move" rule doesn't do it.

jaje

I go to read up on the post race discussions. Massa was told to let Alonso by as soon as Button got past him so that Button would not give up the position.

Button was in front when they entered the corner and side by side when he went off b/c Massa didn't give him racing room, essentially forcing him off track. Massa was also in the wrong IMHO and the FIA did not consider that as an exception to the rule? If you are side by side - the car being overtake must provide enough room which Massa clearly did not as he went all the way to track out only leaving Button with one option. I think they should have allowed the pass as Massa was clearly slower and doing his job as the #2 driver to slow down cars in front so Alonso can catch up easier. If I was racing and did a Massa to some other driver in my series - I'd get a chewing by the race director. Massa is lucky Button didn't really retaliate any more than the little kink he did when he blew by him later in the race.

MJSpeed

Ray go read post #151. We've agreed on that since Germany last year, you apparently missed that point. I'm in agreeance with your assessment of the Massa-Button incident.

But if you feel you still need to argue, find one of A.Wayne's posts, go to town on that.

Btw your hatred/dislike for Alonso is evident by the fact that, based on driving capabilities, you would take Button over him.

paradisenb

Fail. Massa was defending, which is his responsibility, he was in a points paying posistion. He only made 1 blocking move, that was to the outside on a left hander. After that he just worked to keep a faster car behind him. Nothing dirty about that. You probably think Petrov was blocking Alonso in the last race of last year too.

Want to see a PRO make a pass? Rerun the pass Vettel made on Kobiashi just after coming out of the pits on cold tires. He just put the pedal to the metal and whipped around on the outside. Smooth.

gums

Your fail. Massa was blocking repeatedly, and in different locations. It was poor form, but acceptable under the stupid one move rule, which the master block artist Schumacher had written into the rules for us. I hate him for it.
Kabayashi in a, what; Sauber (?) is no match for Vettel, let alone the leader. No analogy there at all.
Nor is there a parallel with Petrov, who just drove and stayed ahead on a Tilke track. Easy to do.
No, Massa was swerving WAY off line repeatedly.

Veloce Raptor

I was astounded to hear Hobbs' comments after 2 cars came together in a failed pass for position (I don't recall who the 2 drovers were). Hobbs said that the car being passed, which suffered nose damage, should have just "let him go" and ceded the position.

Um....say what? It's not a DE, Hobbs.

Did anyone else catch that comment? Even my wife was astounded by it.

multi21

Trump is a birther? ?? Oh sorry wrong forum....

va122

What happened to scheumacher? I missed it. Why did he DNF?

multi21

MS hit from behind on lap one. Rosberg kamakazied by Rubens ala David Coulthard. Both dnfs not the fault of either Mercedes drivee