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Do people cheat in PCA Club Racing?

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Old 06-16-2017, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by JP66
Yeah, hadn't thought about that part. My Profi small is tight for my little 31 inch waist
Maybe standardize the seat brackets so seats could be easily swapped? Or separate the cars into 'thin' and 'fat' seats and let racers draw again if they pick a car that's not a fit?
Just brainstorming here...

The idea came from my racing with Skippy where you draw cars by lottery. There were a few 'fat' seat cars in the mix. It was funny when folks thought someone won because they picked a 'fast' car, then pick the 'fast' car themselves and get beaten all the same.

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Old 06-16-2017, 10:47 AM
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Thanks for the fat comments, but I meant all you midgets couldn't reach the pedals.
Old 06-16-2017, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by linzman
Thanks for the fat comments, but I meant all you midgets couldn't reach the pedals.
How does that '70s song go??

"Short people got no reason . . .

They got teeny little cars that go beep beep beep . . ."


I did NOT use the word fat and I'm proud of my 5'9"; they tell me it means my heart doesn't have to work so hard and maybe gives me an edge in that ultimate enduro race called life. Course it also meant that tall svelt models were always off the list for potential girlfriends when I was younger, but heh there's trade offs in everything . . . even in cheating
Old 06-16-2017, 01:27 PM
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Swapping cars is a non-starter. I'm not letting a stranger drive my car.

Swapping ECUs is a good idea for spec classes.
Old 06-16-2017, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Streak
I know



Did I make it weird?
Totally.

Originally Posted by LuigiVampa
Swapping cars is a non-starter. I'm not letting a stranger drive my car.
I would treat your car like a dirty pirate hooker. And fart in the seat.
Old 06-16-2017, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jdistefa
Totally.


I would treat your car like a dirty pirate hooker. And fart in the seat.
First off, nobody over the age of 16 says "totally" in the way you just used it.

Secondly, it is nice to know that you would not treat my car any different from your car. You also could have made that statement into one sentence.
Old 06-16-2017, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Bull_D
mobile dyno like nasa uses would cut down on some of the most egregious/obvious stuff i have seen. i know of several people that got tired of this and now race other series, such as WRL.
I'm one of those. WRL only for us. More enjoyable / less BS.
Old 06-16-2017, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by GTgears
And then there's Dan Jacobs. He's not running our LSD in his BSR, but he runs our stickers. It's a head trip he's throwing at the competition. When he showed me the car I just had to laugh.
Thats really funny!
Old 06-16-2017, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by LuigiVampa
First off, nobody over the age of 16 says "totally" in the way you just used it.

Secondly, it is nice to know that you would not treat my car any different from your car. You also could have made that statement into one sentence.
I am 16.

Have you been smelling my car seat (again)?
Old 06-16-2017, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by LuigiVampa
First off, nobody over the age of 16 says "totally" in the way you just used it.

Secondly, it is nice to know that you would not treat my car any different from your car. You also could have made that statement into one sentence.
Originally Posted by jdistefa
I am 16.

Have you been smelling my car seat (again)?
You's guys crack me up

Totally!
Old 06-16-2017, 08:32 PM
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It should be noted that Matt is totally Canadian. Explains much of his, um, persona
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Originally Posted by jdistefa
I am 16.

Have you been smelling my car seat (again)?
The smell of your car provides a real incentive to pass you.

Originally Posted by Streak
It should be noted that Matt is totally Canadian. Explains much of his, um, DISABILITY
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Old 06-18-2017, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Streak
ECU swaps are being discussed. At least they were last year. Not a bad idea. For the SPB's its stupid simple.
hey Streak!

they used to do the ecu swap thing in NASA Spec E30 years back. it was superceded eventually by dynoing the top finishers at the end of the race. the thought behind it was that the root of the matter was too much power (cheating) or change in gears (cheating) or change in rev limit (cheating) would all three immediately be seen during dyno testing. so, immediately after the race, top cars (plus occasionally a random car or two from the 15-20 car pack) are sent to impound, weighed, and then immediately sent to the dyno to be checked. there is of course a min weight (2700 I believe) and a max hp (161 I think?). the scruts know when the rev limit should hit and the wheel speeds. so while not perfect, I think it covers a lot of bases.
Old 06-18-2017, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by d15b7
hey Streak!

they used to do the ecu swap thing in NASA Spec E30 years back. it was superceded eventually by dynoing the top finishers at the end of the race. the thought behind it was that the root of the matter was too much power (cheating) or change in gears (cheating) or change in rev limit (cheating) would all three immediately be seen during dyno testing. so, immediately after the race, top cars (plus occasionally a random car or two from the 15-20 car pack) are sent to impound, weighed, and then immediately sent to the dyno to be checked. there is of course a min weight (2700 I believe) and a max hp (161 I think?). the scruts know when the rev limit should hit and the wheel speeds. so while not perfect, I think it covers a lot of bases.
^this is how it should be done with PCA for any class larger than 6 cars, as well. The incremental cost of implementation per racer per race (added to the registration fee) would be minuscule vs the total $ spent per race. It would cover a lot of bases and even save $ by avoiding a lot of unnecessary (blind, random) engine tear-downs.
Old 06-19-2017, 01:41 PM
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I recommended dyno checks to the tech folks from PCA when I was at PRI in December. The amount of no No NO we can't/won't do that was astounding.
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