View Poll Results: Who will win the European GP?
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4
10.81%
Rubens
7
18.92%
Webber
4
10.81%
Vettel
8
21.62%
Kimi
1
2.70%
Hamilton
10
27.03%
Alonso
1
2.70%
Other Driver Not listed
2
5.41%
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2009 European Grand Prix race preview, predictions and discussion - Valencia
08-24-2009 | 10:46 AM
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Wayne... a legend in his own mind.....
It's easy to be right when:
1. You pick your race winners on Monday.
2. You never give up, like when you say something will happen every year and eventually 4 years later it becomes true.
3. You go into hidding after the announcement of Schumacher coming back and after it's learned he can't go because of broken vertibra, you come back and say I told you so....
It's easy to be right when:
1. You pick your race winners on Monday.
2. You never give up, like when you say something will happen every year and eventually 4 years later it becomes true.
3. You go into hidding after the announcement of Schumacher coming back and after it's learned he can't go because of broken vertibra, you come back and say I told you so....
08-24-2009 | 11:21 AM
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[QUOTE=Veloce Raptor;6843100]It was asked in an extremely rude manner, presuming the team ****ed up. We in fact do not know that was the case. It is possible Lewis dove in at the last minute with the beginning of a puncture, cattching the team unaware.
Actually we do. The McLaren boss made it very clear that the pit screwed up.
Martin Whitmarsh, the McLaren team principal, said: ‘Lewis was faultless; the team were not. It cost us two or three seconds."
Actually we do. The McLaren boss made it very clear that the pit screwed up.
Martin Whitmarsh, the McLaren team principal, said: ‘Lewis was faultless; the team were not. It cost us two or three seconds."
08-24-2009 | 11:23 AM
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I thought Ganassi signed Alonso for 2010. 
Don't know if anyone saw the post I added to the Massa thread that he's coming to America to visit a medical specialist to further assess his physical condition.
Don't know if anyone saw the post I added to the Massa thread that he's coming to America to visit a medical specialist to further assess his physical condition.
08-24-2009 | 11:34 AM
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Whitmarsh confirmed what I thought yesterday that even without the botched pitstop, Rubens would have won the race anyway.
Pit problem did not affect outcome, stresses Whitmarsh
24 August 2009
Martin Whitmarsh has lowered question marks surrounding McLaren's pit lane mistake in Valencia by explained how the pace of the MP4-24 was not up to holding back the flying Brawn of Rubens Barrichello in Sunday's European Grand Prix.
Hamilton remained stationary in the pits for over 13 seconds due to a tyre mix-up
Barrichello's string of rapid laps, particularly in and out times around pit-stops, arguably won the race for the Brazilian in Spain although a stationary time of over 13 seconds certainly slowed World Champion Hamilton's charge as the right-front tyre remained in its blanket.
"I think it was clear that we weren't as quick in the race as we should have been," McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh told the BBC after the race. "Rubens was running quite a bit longer than us and we had to open a bigger gap; we tried and pushed so we could try and get an extra lap - that made our call late and we didn't get the tyres out on time. It probably cost us two seconds but it didn't effect the outcome of the race.
"The fact is that we didn't have the race pace to win so we pushed it to the absolute limit, we're not there to get second. We monitor the fuel flow and we were trying to get the extra lap; in doing so, it cost us a couple of seconds - had we come in without the delay it wouldn't have made any difference to the outcome. The fact is, we weren't quick enough in race pace."
It was asked in an extremely rude manner, presuming the team ****ed up. We in fact do not know that was the case. It is possible Lewis dove in at the last minute with the beginning of a puncture, cattching the team unaware.
Actually we do. The McLaren boss made it very clear that the pit screwed up.
Martin Whitmarsh, the McLaren team principal, said: ‘Lewis was faultless; the team were not. It cost us two or three seconds."
Actually we do. The McLaren boss made it very clear that the pit screwed up.
Martin Whitmarsh, the McLaren team principal, said: ‘Lewis was faultless; the team were not. It cost us two or three seconds."
Pit problem did not affect outcome, stresses Whitmarsh
24 August 2009
Martin Whitmarsh has lowered question marks surrounding McLaren's pit lane mistake in Valencia by explained how the pace of the MP4-24 was not up to holding back the flying Brawn of Rubens Barrichello in Sunday's European Grand Prix.
Hamilton remained stationary in the pits for over 13 seconds due to a tyre mix-up
Barrichello's string of rapid laps, particularly in and out times around pit-stops, arguably won the race for the Brazilian in Spain although a stationary time of over 13 seconds certainly slowed World Champion Hamilton's charge as the right-front tyre remained in its blanket.
"I think it was clear that we weren't as quick in the race as we should have been," McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh told the BBC after the race. "Rubens was running quite a bit longer than us and we had to open a bigger gap; we tried and pushed so we could try and get an extra lap - that made our call late and we didn't get the tyres out on time. It probably cost us two seconds but it didn't effect the outcome of the race.
"The fact is that we didn't have the race pace to win so we pushed it to the absolute limit, we're not there to get second. We monitor the fuel flow and we were trying to get the extra lap; in doing so, it cost us a couple of seconds - had we come in without the delay it wouldn't have made any difference to the outcome. The fact is, we weren't quick enough in race pace."
08-24-2009 | 11:40 AM
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It was asked in an extremely rude manner, presuming the team ****ed up. We in fact do not know that was the case. It is possible Lewis dove in at the last minute with the beginning of a puncture, cattching the team unaware.
Actually we do. The McLaren boss made it very clear that the pit screwed up.
Martin Whitmarsh, the McLaren team principal, said: ‘Lewis was faultless; the team were not. It cost us two or three seconds."
Actually we do. The McLaren boss made it very clear that the pit screwed up.
Martin Whitmarsh, the McLaren team principal, said: ‘Lewis was faultless; the team were not. It cost us two or three seconds."
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08-24-2009 | 11:56 AM
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Yes, it was indeed me in Massa's car. I've been testing under the assumed name of Luca BADoer in a Clienti car
Finn,
This is not Wayne. It's Pete, really... For years I've poo pooed Wayne's Alonso to Ferrari stories because they were based on wishes and not fact, but now all the evidence most clearly points to Alonso in a Ferrari in '10. It's going to happen.
'Alonso to Ferrari announcement delayed'
24 August 2009
As rumours surrounding a number of teams continue to circulate in the Formula One paddock, gossip regarding Fernando Alonso's move to Ferrari next year continues to be the epicentre of the silly season; however, a source close to both parties has told GPWeek that a Monza announcement has now been delayed as Felipe Massa continues to recuperate.
Spaniard Alonso has so far driven for three teams in his F1 career
With Alonso highly tipped to become team-mate to Massa at the Maranello team next year, the Brazilian's injuries sustained from his Hungarian Grand Prix qualifying crash have thrown a number of variables into the mix at the Scuderia although the Paulista is expected to make a full recovery ahead of next season.
With the Italian Grand Prix weekend (12-13 September) the traditional scene for Ferrari announcements, GPWeek as now been told by an anonymous source that any news bulletins will be placed on hold. "The announcement was due to be made in Monza as had been expected for some time," the quote reads. "However with Massa's return under question the team has been forced to delay.
"Fernando will be a Ferrari driver in 2010. The deal has been signed. The only question is his team-mare and out of respect for Felipe, Ferrari will not make the announcement until they are sure whether he will be able to return."
Finn,
This is not Wayne. It's Pete, really... For years I've poo pooed Wayne's Alonso to Ferrari stories because they were based on wishes and not fact, but now all the evidence most clearly points to Alonso in a Ferrari in '10. It's going to happen.
'Alonso to Ferrari announcement delayed'
24 August 2009
As rumours surrounding a number of teams continue to circulate in the Formula One paddock, gossip regarding Fernando Alonso's move to Ferrari next year continues to be the epicentre of the silly season; however, a source close to both parties has told GPWeek that a Monza announcement has now been delayed as Felipe Massa continues to recuperate.
Spaniard Alonso has so far driven for three teams in his F1 career
With Alonso highly tipped to become team-mate to Massa at the Maranello team next year, the Brazilian's injuries sustained from his Hungarian Grand Prix qualifying crash have thrown a number of variables into the mix at the Scuderia although the Paulista is expected to make a full recovery ahead of next season.
With the Italian Grand Prix weekend (12-13 September) the traditional scene for Ferrari announcements, GPWeek as now been told by an anonymous source that any news bulletins will be placed on hold. "The announcement was due to be made in Monza as had been expected for some time," the quote reads. "However with Massa's return under question the team has been forced to delay.
"Fernando will be a Ferrari driver in 2010. The deal has been signed. The only question is his team-mare and out of respect for Felipe, Ferrari will not make the announcement until they are sure whether he will be able to return."
My biggest reason for hoping my source is correct is the fact that Ferrari is fully developing their next years car (and doing nothing with their current) which makes it more than likely that the red cars will be fast again next season.
Imagine how unbearable Wayne would be with his "Alonso made Ferrari fast/Alonso is fastest" mantra...
(Ms. A hasn't been able to make Renault that fast but that little thing really means nothing for Wayne).
McLaren asked Hamilton to come in in that lap (that he came in), just as when he was entering the pit entry on track, team told Hammy to do one more lap but that was too late for him as he was already committed to come in so when he did come in, it was a surprise for the team.
They had Kovalainen's tires ready (as they decided to make his stop earlier than what was planned) so they had to quickly swap them and that took the extra time.
Barichello would've passed Hammy even without the McLaren ****up though but obviously that would've made the last part of the race more interesting.
08-24-2009 | 11:56 AM
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Wayne... a legend in his own mind.....
It's easy to be right when:
1. You pick your race winners on Monday.
2. You never give up, like when you say something will happen every year and eventually 4 years later it becomes true.
3. You go into hidding after the announcement of Schumacher coming back and after it's learned he can't go because of broken vertibra, you come back and say I told you so....
It's easy to be right when:
1. You pick your race winners on Monday.
2. You never give up, like when you say something will happen every year and eventually 4 years later it becomes true.
3. You go into hidding after the announcement of Schumacher coming back and after it's learned he can't go because of broken vertibra, you come back and say I told you so....
Ahhhh, the ugly head of jealousy., How's golden Spoon doing bwoys.
08-24-2009 | 11:58 AM
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08-24-2009 | 12:16 PM
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The question had to be asked. If you know the British media, they live for this stuff and if Hamilton would have said anything halfway insulting to the team, it would be big news today.
Finn,
Please don't confuse Alonso the driver with Alonso the primadona. There is no question he is remarkable in the cockpit. It's outside where he's .... well you know....
I do think he's helped Renault become faster and faster this year as well as last year. No question. He is coming to a Ferrari near you. Bottle of Vodka on this?
Also don't take what Kimi says as gospel just because he's Finnish. I think your extremely blinded by your countrymen Kimi and Kovi. Yesterday, Kimi said Ferrari is not introducing new bits to the car anymore. That is simply not true. The 2010 car is evolutionary rather than revolutionary as compared to the 2009 car. Why do you think McLaren continues to develope (and with great success) the 2009 car eventhough they have no shot at either championship? They are working on 2010.
This past weekend, Ferrari was testing the Red Bull "humps" they have on the top of their tub.
Finn,
Please don't confuse Alonso the driver with Alonso the primadona. There is no question he is remarkable in the cockpit. It's outside where he's .... well you know....
I do think he's helped Renault become faster and faster this year as well as last year. No question. He is coming to a Ferrari near you. Bottle of Vodka on this?
Also don't take what Kimi says as gospel just because he's Finnish. I think your extremely blinded by your countrymen Kimi and Kovi. Yesterday, Kimi said Ferrari is not introducing new bits to the car anymore. That is simply not true. The 2010 car is evolutionary rather than revolutionary as compared to the 2009 car. Why do you think McLaren continues to develope (and with great success) the 2009 car eventhough they have no shot at either championship? They are working on 2010.
This past weekend, Ferrari was testing the Red Bull "humps" they have on the top of their tub.
08-24-2009 | 12:32 PM
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Hypothetically speaking...
How cool would it be if Rubens won the WDC? Seriously. I think he might actually have a shot at it now that he is in second place in the point. If Jenson keeps driving sub par like he has been...who knows?
I personally think it would be OUTSTANDING. Couldn't happen to a better dude.
C.
How cool would it be if Rubens won the WDC? Seriously. I think he might actually have a shot at it now that he is in second place in the point. If Jenson keeps driving sub par like he has been...who knows?
I personally think it would be OUTSTANDING. Couldn't happen to a better dude.
C.
08-24-2009 | 12:34 PM
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Pete,
I agree re: Hammy. He has learned...
Alonso is coming but when... And who will he replace...
All of these rumors that now are so strong is the same rumor that has been floating around at least 2 months already. There is no new information.
Kinda like someone said regarding Wayne, when you repeat same thing over and over again, at some point it starts to seem to have more value. But it doesn't.
Since you want, I'll bet a bottle of Vodka that Kimi will be in F1 next year and not in rally (will of course do few events but not fully as you're saying).
I don't blindly believe what Kimi says but when him & Dominecali both explain that they have stopped this cars development (Valencia was the last place) and focus on next year's car, I believe.
Obviously it doesn't mean they do nothing with the current car, there always is things developed for next year you can, and will since it serves as a test, put on current car and see how it works.
That always happens but the fact is that they made a different decision than what McLaren did.
I agree re: Hammy. He has learned...
Alonso is coming but when... And who will he replace...
All of these rumors that now are so strong is the same rumor that has been floating around at least 2 months already. There is no new information.
Kinda like someone said regarding Wayne, when you repeat same thing over and over again, at some point it starts to seem to have more value. But it doesn't.
Since you want, I'll bet a bottle of Vodka that Kimi will be in F1 next year and not in rally (will of course do few events but not fully as you're saying).
I don't blindly believe what Kimi says but when him & Dominecali both explain that they have stopped this cars development (Valencia was the last place) and focus on next year's car, I believe.
Obviously it doesn't mean they do nothing with the current car, there always is things developed for next year you can, and will since it serves as a test, put on current car and see how it works.
That always happens but the fact is that they made a different decision than what McLaren did.
08-24-2009 | 12:35 PM
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In other statements coming out of the aftermath of yesterdays race:
1. It looks like Luca Badoer will be racing at Spa as he has stated he will be "improved" at that race. I think if the race wasn't this week and we had the normal 2 weeks between, he would not be in that race. Look for possibly Marc Gene at Monza.
2. Horner believes Vettel will be taking 10 spot grid penalties in races toward teh end of the year as the 8 engine allotment of Renaults will not be enough to last him 17 races. Vettel blew up 2 Renault engines this past weekend alone.
1. It looks like Luca Badoer will be racing at Spa as he has stated he will be "improved" at that race. I think if the race wasn't this week and we had the normal 2 weeks between, he would not be in that race. Look for possibly Marc Gene at Monza.
2. Horner believes Vettel will be taking 10 spot grid penalties in races toward teh end of the year as the 8 engine allotment of Renaults will not be enough to last him 17 races. Vettel blew up 2 Renault engines this past weekend alone.
08-24-2009 | 12:38 PM
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Petu,
To clarify, the bet is not that Kimi will be in F1 next year, it's that Alonso is coming over to Ferrari. With Massa's future uncertain, it appears more and more likely that there will be a pairing of WDC Kimi/Alonso. If Massa is able to return, I do think Kimi goes to Fiat Rally.
To clarify, the bet is not that Kimi will be in F1 next year, it's that Alonso is coming over to Ferrari. With Massa's future uncertain, it appears more and more likely that there will be a pairing of WDC Kimi/Alonso. If Massa is able to return, I do think Kimi goes to Fiat Rally.
08-24-2009 | 12:52 PM
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Hypothetically speaking...
How cool would it be if Rubens won the WDC? Seriously. I think he might actually have a shot at it now that he is in second place in the point. If Jenson keeps driving sub par like he has been...who knows?
I personally think it would be OUTSTANDING. Couldn't happen to a better dude.
C.
How cool would it be if Rubens won the WDC? Seriously. I think he might actually have a shot at it now that he is in second place in the point. If Jenson keeps driving sub par like he has been...who knows?
I personally think it would be OUTSTANDING. Couldn't happen to a better dude.
C.
.Justice would be served if no Brawn driver takes anything and end such contemptuous asinine methodology that is nothing but negative to the sport ...Sadly this would impact Barrichello , who is more than deserving of a WDC and with the only real challenge coming from Red Bull, who talented drivers are still wearing training wheels , it seems inevitable a brawn will win the WDC adding more Fodder to that which Is Brawn and his faux Champion mentallity.
Pete,
I agree re: Hammy. He has learned...
Alonso is coming but when... And who will he replace...
All of these rumors that now are so strong is the same rumor that has been floating around at least 2 months already. There is no new information.
Kinda like someone said regarding Wayne, when you repeat same thing over and over again, at some point it starts to seem to have more value. But it doesn't.
Since you want, I'll bet a bottle of Vodka that Kimi will be in F1 next year and not in rally (will of course do few events but not fully as you're saying).
I don't blindly believe what Kimi says but when him & Dominecali both explain that they have stopped this cars development (Valencia was the last place) and focus on next year's car, I believe.
Obviously it doesn't mean they do nothing with the current car, there always is things developed for next year you can, and will since it serves as a test, put on current car and see how it works.
That always happens but the fact is that they made a different decision than what McLaren did.
I agree re: Hammy. He has learned...
Alonso is coming but when... And who will he replace...
All of these rumors that now are so strong is the same rumor that has been floating around at least 2 months already. There is no new information.
Kinda like someone said regarding Wayne, when you repeat same thing over and over again, at some point it starts to seem to have more value. But it doesn't.
Since you want, I'll bet a bottle of Vodka that Kimi will be in F1 next year and not in rally (will of course do few events but not fully as you're saying).
I don't blindly believe what Kimi says but when him & Dominecali both explain that they have stopped this cars development (Valencia was the last place) and focus on next year's car, I believe.
Obviously it doesn't mean they do nothing with the current car, there always is things developed for next year you can, and will since it serves as a test, put on current car and see how it works.
That always happens but the fact is that they made a different decision than what McLaren did.
KR should stay around , he will learn a lot from Alonso . As FA is still top Tier followed by hammy , KR will have the best seat in the house .
What about that Stiff neck , guy ,, Hmm, what his name again?