View Poll Results: Who will win the European GP?
Button
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Rubens
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Webber
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Vettel
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Kimi
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Hamilton
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Alonso
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2009 European Grand Prix race preview, predictions and discussion - Valencia
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Larry my apologies ,
I had thought you were carry Button , especially after stating he was better than Barrichello , well that was shortly before going with Webber ,or was it before you had said That you would have to see Rubin beat Golden spoon again ,, no , hmm , Ok it was right after you had thought Golden spoon was the one nahh, that was Webbo
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Awww the Poll , a sudden jump in Barrichello supporters .................
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Great for Rubins; followed him since Stewart days. After surviving the very bad '94 Imola weekend he's had a remarkable career.........often wonder what the real score would have been if Ferrari hadn't made him the obvious #2.
Agree on the track comments.................at least we now move to Spa and then Monza. Love both tracks; Spa for the track itself, Monza for the sound and atmosphere.
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Larry my apologies ,
I had thought you were carry Button , especially after stating he was better than Barrichello , well that was shortly before going with Webber ,or was it before you had said That you would have to see Rubin beat Golden spoon again ,, no , hmm , Ok it was right after you had thought Golden spoon was the one nahh, that was Webbo
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Awww the Poll , a sudden jump in Barrichello supporters .................
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As far as who is the better driver, I don't think that I ever stated that Button was better. Early in the season he was driving better, and the results proved it. Now Barrichello is driving better. Is either a better driver than Vettel or Webber, probably not.
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You can't expect anything else from Tilke's yet another masterpiece, Valencia no matter what car would race there.
Watch out for next weekend, Spa coming and the race after that won't be a bore either.
Congrats to Rubinho! Awesome to see him on the center podium.
Red Bull's had surprisingly bad weekend, Button was poor too although that's not so surprising...
Kimi drove as well as you can with Ferrari, Badoer took care of the entertainment, WTF was that "please pass me" on pitlane?!
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I've seen a few Nascar races and they definitely do NOT let anyone by when racing out of the pits.
You wanna pass. Do it on track.
Someone please swap Milka for Luca.
At least Milka would be interesting to watch on the interviews.
You wanna pass. Do it on track.
Someone please swap Milka for Luca.
At least Milka would be interesting to watch on the interviews.
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Speaking of that, did you notice that Hamilton never, ever denigrated the job that his pit crew did, even when pressed. He even pushed back, saying that this was maybe only the 2nd time that his pitstop was less than stellar in the entire time that he has been with McLaren. And that if it weren't for the hard work and dedication of his team over this season, that he wouldn't even have been in a position to take 2nd place today. That too is a class act (at least for today). ![Big Grin](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
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I noticed that as well, +1! I know he's done a couple of questionable things, but I've always thought of him to be a class act. Too bad the pit stop took so long, he would have come out very close to Rubens so we missed out on a probable good battle for 1st.
Also, why couldn't Rosberg seal the deal for his McLaren seat at the end and pass Kovalainen?
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1. Congrats to Rubens. He really earned that one. I know McLaren messed up their pit stop, but I believe Rubens would have got Hamilton on the pit rotation anyway.
2. BOOOOORRRRIIINGGGGGG. I can't believe we've lived through 2 years of Valencia crap and now we're subjected to 5 more years. Thanks a lot Bernie!!
3. That might have been a "Thank you" drive for Luca Badoer, but if your 3 seconds slower on a street course, your going to be 6 seconds slower at Spa. Please, someone pull him from that seat and put in a real "RACE" Driver. As I said when Schumacher was picked over Luca, "There is a reason he is a 10 year test driver and not a "race" driver."
4. Wayne, why don't you complain about the team orders when Badoer moves over for the new Renault driver?
OMG that was embarrassing...
5. I've not been a big fan of Hamilton specifically because he's been an arrogant *******. When you've been in the best car on the grid 2 years running and you compare yourself to legends like Senna, you don't earn my respect. I believe Hamilton has eaten humble pie this year and the 1st half of the season showed him that he is not Senna and is highly dependant on the car they give him. I don't know if it's because he has no pressure on him now because he knows he's not in contention for the WDC, but I give him a lot of credit now for staying within himself now that he has the dominant car on grid again and not throwing his pit crew under the bus. He knew they screwed up, but probably thought back to times where he put the car in the wall. It happens to everyone and it looks like he's matured a great deal since last season.
6. This is my favorite time of the season, Spa and Monza back to back!!!!
7. The Brawns will be slower than expected at Spa, the Red Bulls faster than they shown all weekend. The McLaren, it appears to me, to be the fastest, but more importantly, the most consistant car on the grid now.
8. I'm picking Vettal for the win at Spa, Hamilton and Webber in that order.
9. The expected "Alonso to Ferrari" announcement didn't happen at Valencia as was speculated. I imagine they will wait until more is known on Massa's future before they annouce Alonso to Ferrari and Kimi to Fiat Rally.
2. BOOOOORRRRIIINGGGGGG. I can't believe we've lived through 2 years of Valencia crap and now we're subjected to 5 more years. Thanks a lot Bernie!!
3. That might have been a "Thank you" drive for Luca Badoer, but if your 3 seconds slower on a street course, your going to be 6 seconds slower at Spa. Please, someone pull him from that seat and put in a real "RACE" Driver. As I said when Schumacher was picked over Luca, "There is a reason he is a 10 year test driver and not a "race" driver."
4. Wayne, why don't you complain about the team orders when Badoer moves over for the new Renault driver?
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5. I've not been a big fan of Hamilton specifically because he's been an arrogant *******. When you've been in the best car on the grid 2 years running and you compare yourself to legends like Senna, you don't earn my respect. I believe Hamilton has eaten humble pie this year and the 1st half of the season showed him that he is not Senna and is highly dependant on the car they give him. I don't know if it's because he has no pressure on him now because he knows he's not in contention for the WDC, but I give him a lot of credit now for staying within himself now that he has the dominant car on grid again and not throwing his pit crew under the bus. He knew they screwed up, but probably thought back to times where he put the car in the wall. It happens to everyone and it looks like he's matured a great deal since last season.
6. This is my favorite time of the season, Spa and Monza back to back!!!!
7. The Brawns will be slower than expected at Spa, the Red Bulls faster than they shown all weekend. The McLaren, it appears to me, to be the fastest, but more importantly, the most consistant car on the grid now.
8. I'm picking Vettal for the win at Spa, Hamilton and Webber in that order.
9. The expected "Alonso to Ferrari" announcement didn't happen at Valencia as was speculated. I imagine they will wait until more is known on Massa's future before they annouce Alonso to Ferrari and Kimi to Fiat Rally.
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1. Congrats to Rubens. He really earned that one. I know McLaren messed up their pit stop, but I believe Rubens would have got Hamilton on the pit rotation anyway.
2. BOOOOORRRRIIINGGGGGG. I can't believe we've lived through 2 years of Valencia crap and now we're subjected to 5 more years. Thanks a lot Bernie!!
3. That might have been a "Thank you" drive for Luca Badoer, but if your 3 seconds slower on a street course, your going to be 6 seconds slower at Spa. Please, someone pull him from that seat and put in a real "RACE" Driver. As I said when Schumacher was picked over Luca, "There is a reason he is a 10 year test driver and not a "race" driver."
4. Wayne, why don't you complain about the team orders when Badoer moves over for the new Renault driver?
OMG that was embarrassing...
5. I've not been a big fan of Hamilton specifically because he's been an arrogant *******. When you've been in the best car on the grid 2 years running and you compare yourself to legends like Senna, you don't earn my respect. I believe Hamilton has eaten humble pie this year and the 1st half of the season showed him that he is not Senna and is highly dependant on the car they give him. I don't know if it's because he has no pressure on him now because he knows he's not in contention for the WDC, but I give him a lot of credit now for staying within himself now that he has the dominant car on grid again and not throwing his pit crew under the bus. He knew they screwed up, but probably thought back to times where he put the car in the wall. It happens to everyone and it looks like he's matured a great deal since last season.
6. This is my favorite time of the season, Spa and Monza back to back!!!!
7. The Brawns will be slower than expected at Spa, the Red Bulls faster than they shown all weekend. The McLaren, it appears to me, to be the fastest, but more importantly, the most consistant car on the grid now.
8. I'm picking Vettal for the win at Spa, Hamilton and Webber in that order.
9. The expected "Alonso to Ferrari" announcement didn't happen at Valencia as was speculated. I imagine they will wait until more is known on Massa's future before they annouce Alonso to Ferrari and Kimi to Fiat Rally.
2. BOOOOORRRRIIINGGGGGG. I can't believe we've lived through 2 years of Valencia crap and now we're subjected to 5 more years. Thanks a lot Bernie!!
3. That might have been a "Thank you" drive for Luca Badoer, but if your 3 seconds slower on a street course, your going to be 6 seconds slower at Spa. Please, someone pull him from that seat and put in a real "RACE" Driver. As I said when Schumacher was picked over Luca, "There is a reason he is a 10 year test driver and not a "race" driver."
4. Wayne, why don't you complain about the team orders when Badoer moves over for the new Renault driver?
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5. I've not been a big fan of Hamilton specifically because he's been an arrogant *******. When you've been in the best car on the grid 2 years running and you compare yourself to legends like Senna, you don't earn my respect. I believe Hamilton has eaten humble pie this year and the 1st half of the season showed him that he is not Senna and is highly dependant on the car they give him. I don't know if it's because he has no pressure on him now because he knows he's not in contention for the WDC, but I give him a lot of credit now for staying within himself now that he has the dominant car on grid again and not throwing his pit crew under the bus. He knew they screwed up, but probably thought back to times where he put the car in the wall. It happens to everyone and it looks like he's matured a great deal since last season.
6. This is my favorite time of the season, Spa and Monza back to back!!!!
7. The Brawns will be slower than expected at Spa, the Red Bulls faster than they shown all weekend. The McLaren, it appears to me, to be the fastest, but more importantly, the most consistant car on the grid now.
8. I'm picking Vettal for the win at Spa, Hamilton and Webber in that order.
9. The expected "Alonso to Ferrari" announcement didn't happen at Valencia as was speculated. I imagine they will wait until more is known on Massa's future before they annouce Alonso to Ferrari and Kimi to Fiat Rally.
Is there an "echo" in here ................
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Ahh, what were you saying about Barrichello supporters? Yeah, you are confused.
As far as who is the better driver, I don't think that I ever stated that Button was better. Early in the season he was driving better, and the results proved it. Now Barrichello is driving better. Is either a better driver than Vettel or Webber, probably not.
As far as who is the better driver, I don't think that I ever stated that Button was better. Early in the season he was driving better, and the results proved it. Now Barrichello is driving better. Is either a better driver than Vettel or Webber, probably not.
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Now that Brawn realizes that Golden Spoon is not the one and need both drivers Barrichello suddenly finds form ...............
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You can't expect anything else from Tilke's yet another masterpiece, Valencia no matter what car would race there.
Watch out for next weekend, Spa coming and the race after that won't be a bore either.
Congrats to Rubinho! Awesome to see him on the center podium.
Red Bull's had surprisingly bad weekend, Button was poor too although that's not so surprising...
Kimi drove as well as you can with Ferrari, Badoer took care of the entertainment, WTF was that "please pass me" on pitlane?!
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You can't expect anything else from Tilke's yet another masterpiece, Valencia no matter what car would race there.
Watch out for next weekend, Spa coming and the race after that won't be a bore either.
Congrats to Rubinho! Awesome to see him on the center podium.
Red Bull's had surprisingly bad weekend, Button was poor too although that's not so surprising...
Kimi drove as well as you can with Ferrari, Badoer took care of the entertainment, WTF was that "please pass me" on pitlane?!
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(if not, Pete has lost it again...)
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Hamilton was class. But, how was the question a "low-blow"??? It was the singular most important event of the race, pretty obvious to ask the question don't you think? As scripted and controlled as F1 media is, it would have been embarrassing not to ask.
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It was asked in an extremely rude manner, presuming the team ****ed up. We in fact do not know that was the case. It is possible Lewis dove in at the last minute with the beginning of a puncture, cattching the team unaware.
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Finn,
This is not Wayne. It's Pete, really... For years I've poo pooed Wayne's Alonso to Ferrari stories because they were based on wishes and not fact, but now all the evidence most clearly points to Alonso in a Ferrari in '10. It's going to happen.
'Alonso to Ferrari announcement delayed'
24 August 2009
As rumours surrounding a number of teams continue to circulate in the Formula One paddock, gossip regarding Fernando Alonso's move to Ferrari next year continues to be the epicentre of the silly season; however, a source close to both parties has told GPWeek that a Monza announcement has now been delayed as Felipe Massa continues to recuperate.
Spaniard Alonso has so far driven for three teams in his F1 career
With Alonso highly tipped to become team-mate to Massa at the Maranello team next year, the Brazilian's injuries sustained from his Hungarian Grand Prix qualifying crash have thrown a number of variables into the mix at the Scuderia although the Paulista is expected to make a full recovery ahead of next season.
With the Italian Grand Prix weekend (12-13 September) the traditional scene for Ferrari announcements, GPWeek as now been told by an anonymous source that any news bulletins will be placed on hold. "The announcement was due to be made in Monza as had been expected for some time," the quote reads. "However with Massa's return under question the team has been forced to delay.
"Fernando will be a Ferrari driver in 2010. The deal has been signed. The only question is his team-mare and out of respect for Felipe, Ferrari will not make the announcement until they are sure whether he will be able to return."