Why is there no club race at Mt. Tremblant?
06-16-2009, 08:23 PM
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In case I wasn't clear...
The main reason is that no one will step up and try to deal with Stroll. I'll up the ante even further. He is a SOLID GOLD S-O-B who doesn't care if ANYONE runs there.
END OF STORY.
The main reason is that no one will step up and try to deal with Stroll. I'll up the ante even further. He is a SOLID GOLD S-O-B who doesn't care if ANYONE runs there.
END OF STORY.
06-16-2009, 08:42 PM
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Years ago I heard stories of all bookings being tentative until you actually got on track because at any time he could just show up and decide he and his guests were going to use the track. In those cases payments would be refunded. I don't know if that is still happening.
06-16-2009, 08:46 PM
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Track hours depend on the event. No worries there.
I can only imagine how f'd up my SC would be after 6 hours.... :-)
I can only imagine how f'd up my SC would be after 6 hours.... :-)
I took a look at the "Rentals" section of lecircuit.com. Track hours are from 9AM - 5PM, so it would likely be very difficult to hold a 6 hour enduro unless the enduro contained the entire racing group. Otherwise, one group of cars gets a 6 hour enduro, and the other group gets a regular enduro (or a 60 minute enduro)
Of course, if my rule change suggestion on tag-team enduros gets approved, so that only half the cars are on the track at any given time, then a 6 hour enduro suddenly becomes possible.
Of course, if my rule change suggestion on tag-team enduros gets approved, so that only half the cars are on the track at any given time, then a 6 hour enduro suddenly becomes possible.
06-16-2009, 08:55 PM
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Hi guys,
I'm an RSR member and I'm quite happy to see that kind of interest for a Club race at our home track!
The main reason behind the lack of club race is money. Please see the PCA RACE AT TREMBLANT Thread in the Rennlist Canada - Rennsport Region Forum. Bob is explaining the figures.
But since it's been a while we had a club race, I think that many of you guys could come up north and support us! In RSR, we are probably no more than 20 racers, maybe 30. We do 5-6 DE's a year and they're nearly always sold out.
And we have Bob. I think he lives at the track. He knows everything. We could have that Club Race with no noise restrictions (there are 5 or 6 weekend per year with no noise limitations).
An enduro would be cool too!
So make noise, we want that PCA race in Tremblant!
Thanks
C.
I'm an RSR member and I'm quite happy to see that kind of interest for a Club race at our home track!
The main reason behind the lack of club race is money. Please see the PCA RACE AT TREMBLANT Thread in the Rennlist Canada - Rennsport Region Forum. Bob is explaining the figures.
But since it's been a while we had a club race, I think that many of you guys could come up north and support us! In RSR, we are probably no more than 20 racers, maybe 30. We do 5-6 DE's a year and they're nearly always sold out.
And we have Bob. I think he lives at the track. He knows everything. We could have that Club Race with no noise restrictions (there are 5 or 6 weekend per year with no noise limitations).
An enduro would be cool too!
So make noise, we want that PCA race in Tremblant!
Thanks
C.
06-16-2009, 09:00 PM
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Years ago I heard stories of all bookings being tentative until you actually got on track because at any time he could just show up and decide he and his guests were going to use the track. In those cases payments would be refunded. I don't know if that is still happening.
But otherwise, I think everything is fine. He nows reserves his own private days.
Maybe he'll come race with one of his Porsche... who knows...
C.
06-16-2009, 09:09 PM
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This is funny but one of my Montreal friends who was at the Tremblant DE yesterday and today told me (5 mins ago) that he spoke with a high ranking rennsport member this morning and learned that there is now official talk of a club race at tremblant for 2010.
So if you guys are going to put something together Charles, here are my thoughts:
3 day event + test/tune
Do it at the end of July when you won't compete against WG, VIR, and Road America (sorry Mosport...)
No noise restrictions
A 90 min enduro at minimum
2 sprints per run group
The above will help you attract a lot of people imho (I would go).
You will have to sort this out with the Mosport folks I guess....
So if you guys are going to put something together Charles, here are my thoughts:
3 day event + test/tune
Do it at the end of July when you won't compete against WG, VIR, and Road America (sorry Mosport...)
No noise restrictions
A 90 min enduro at minimum
2 sprints per run group
The above will help you attract a lot of people imho (I would go).
You will have to sort this out with the Mosport folks I guess....
Hi guys,
I'm an RSR member and I'm quite happy to see that kind of interest for a Club race at our home track!
The main reason behind the lack of club race is money. Please see the PCA RACE AT TREMBLANT Thread in the Rennlist Canada - Rennsport Region Forum. Bob is explaining the figures.
But since it's been a while we had a club race, I think that many of you guys could come up north and support us! In RSR, we are probably no more than 20 racers, maybe 30. We do 5-6 DE's a year and they're nearly always sold out.
And we have Bob. I think he lives at the track. He knows everything. We could have that Club Race with no noise restrictions (there are 5 or 6 weekend per year with no noise limitations).
An enduro would be cool too!
So make noise, we want that PCA race in Tremblant!
Thanks
C.
I'm an RSR member and I'm quite happy to see that kind of interest for a Club race at our home track!
The main reason behind the lack of club race is money. Please see the PCA RACE AT TREMBLANT Thread in the Rennlist Canada - Rennsport Region Forum. Bob is explaining the figures.
But since it's been a while we had a club race, I think that many of you guys could come up north and support us! In RSR, we are probably no more than 20 racers, maybe 30. We do 5-6 DE's a year and they're nearly always sold out.
And we have Bob. I think he lives at the track. He knows everything. We could have that Club Race with no noise restrictions (there are 5 or 6 weekend per year with no noise limitations).
An enduro would be cool too!
So make noise, we want that PCA race in Tremblant!
Thanks
C.
06-16-2009, 10:07 PM
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This is funny but one of my Montreal friends who was at the Tremblant DE yesterday and today told me (5 mins ago) that he spoke with a high ranking rennsport member this morning and learned that there is now official talk of a club race at tremblant for 2010.
So if you guys are going to put something together Charles, here are my thoughts:
3 day event + test/tune
Do it at the end of July when you won't compete against WG, VIR, and Road America (sorry Mosport...)
No noise restrictions
A 90 min enduro at minimum
2 sprints per run group
The above will help you attract a lot of people imho (I would go).
You will have to sort this out with the Mosport folks I guess....
So if you guys are going to put something together Charles, here are my thoughts:
3 day event + test/tune
Do it at the end of July when you won't compete against WG, VIR, and Road America (sorry Mosport...)
No noise restrictions
A 90 min enduro at minimum
2 sprints per run group
The above will help you attract a lot of people imho (I would go).
You will have to sort this out with the Mosport folks I guess....
See pictures of the DE on the RSR forum here!
Fred, you're suggestions are quite good. Our management is quite experienced, so I think they'll be able to prepare something great that will look like that.
My only concern is to be able to have one weekend for thw club race. Currently, RSR has 5 events at Tremblant and only one is during the weekend. It means that probably the event will have to run in conjunction with another group's weekend...
This year, July has 2 events: Ferrari Festival and the Summit of Legends. PCA has its Mosport race at the end of July. It's going to be tough to schedule something in there. But maybe next year is going be different. The legends are not always there... Let's hope!
C.
06-16-2009, 10:28 PM
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As a former Montrealer (McGill grad) I would love to venture back, and wouldn't miss a Club Race if it were held up there.
As with Mosport, because it's a long haul for most, the Club Racer turnout would suffer. It would play into our hands to do a Club Race in conjunction with Advanced DE sessions to fill out the roster.
I might have just the right person to get this launched. Be back in a day.
As with Mosport, because it's a long haul for most, the Club Racer turnout would suffer. It would play into our hands to do a Club Race in conjunction with Advanced DE sessions to fill out the roster.
I might have just the right person to get this launched. Be back in a day.
06-16-2009, 10:36 PM
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This year, July has 2 events: Ferrari Festival and the Summit of Legends. PCA has its Mosport race at the end of July. It's going to be tough to schedule something in there. But maybe next year is going be different. The legends are not always there... Let's hope!
C.
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06-16-2009, 11:56 PM
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06-17-2009, 01:15 AM
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Here's my thoughts...
1) Run the event every other year or every third year. For the years where there is no race, run a DE instead.
2) I think given how infrequently the race would be run, you could charge more than the standard $500-600 that a sprint race + enduro race usually brings in. I would aim for $700 total.
3) Don't schedule near the following races: Sebring, Watkins Glen, Road America. Everything else is fair game. If the event isn't run every year, then convincing the Mosport folks to alternate the race dates might be an option.
4) Given how amazing the nearby town is, you may be able to schedule a midweek race and that should significantly cut the costs of the event. I know that my family would enjoy spending the entire week at Mt. Tremblant, so I would have a very flexible schedule.
5) If t-shirts and other door prizes cost a lot, I'm willing to skip that.
6) Allow racers to donate miles and hotel points to pay for the PCA staff that have to be flown in and housed. I bet that many racers have tons of unused miles/points and would be more than willing to contribute (especially if they received some nominal discount)
1) Run the event every other year or every third year. For the years where there is no race, run a DE instead.
2) I think given how infrequently the race would be run, you could charge more than the standard $500-600 that a sprint race + enduro race usually brings in. I would aim for $700 total.
3) Don't schedule near the following races: Sebring, Watkins Glen, Road America. Everything else is fair game. If the event isn't run every year, then convincing the Mosport folks to alternate the race dates might be an option.
4) Given how amazing the nearby town is, you may be able to schedule a midweek race and that should significantly cut the costs of the event. I know that my family would enjoy spending the entire week at Mt. Tremblant, so I would have a very flexible schedule.
5) If t-shirts and other door prizes cost a lot, I'm willing to skip that.
6) Allow racers to donate miles and hotel points to pay for the PCA staff that have to be flown in and housed. I bet that many racers have tons of unused miles/points and would be more than willing to contribute (especially if they received some nominal discount)
06-17-2009, 10:13 AM
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Good suggestions all around, but Sebring? The Laurentians in February are very scenic but average datime temp. is likely around 0 degrees F, in the evening subract 20 degrees.
06-17-2009, 10:22 AM
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Good suggestions, Brian, and I'd love to persue this as well.
Here's what my inside source is telling me, although he/she prefers not to get involved, for logistic reasons:
I tend to agree with John Hajny. I've heard many times the guy at Tremblant is very hard to deal with!
My suggestion is... for someone to contact Bob Rouleau in Rennsport Region. He is in charge of the DE events. I'm sure Bob would be willing to entertain this idea, if there is enough racer interest.
Their current President is Michael Delaney. Bob and Michael's contact information can be found on the Rennsport website.
I think it would be a good idea to alternate club races between Mosport and Mt. Tremblant.
To set the record straight, in recent years, UCR hasn't lost much money hosting on the CanAm Challenge. Three out of four years we made a profit and had a great time! Also, a small profit was made in 2008 by the new Race Chair. Before 2004, the Mosport race had some financial concerns.
Here's what my inside source is telling me, although he/she prefers not to get involved, for logistic reasons:
I tend to agree with John Hajny. I've heard many times the guy at Tremblant is very hard to deal with!
My suggestion is... for someone to contact Bob Rouleau in Rennsport Region. He is in charge of the DE events. I'm sure Bob would be willing to entertain this idea, if there is enough racer interest.
Their current President is Michael Delaney. Bob and Michael's contact information can be found on the Rennsport website.
I think it would be a good idea to alternate club races between Mosport and Mt. Tremblant.
To set the record straight, in recent years, UCR hasn't lost much money hosting on the CanAm Challenge. Three out of four years we made a profit and had a great time! Also, a small profit was made in 2008 by the new Race Chair. Before 2004, the Mosport race had some financial concerns.