View Poll Results: Who won the debate: MK (HP) or VR (Torque)
Mk won with a simple to understand concept that HP determines torque at the wheels at any speed.
25
17.48%
MK won: When comparing equal HP cars, the one with less torque COULD be better on the road course.
6
4.20%
VR won: When comparing equal HP cars, the one with more torque is better on a road course.
44
30.77%
Neither, as physics dont apply to race cars
18
12.59%
I don't want to open this can of worms again!
50
34.97%
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Poll: Who won the HP vs Torque debate?
03-17-2009, 12:23 PM
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03-17-2009, 12:25 PM
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03-17-2009, 12:27 PM
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03-17-2009, 12:28 PM
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OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not this again.
I still side with hp, revs and decent torque numbers above all. The thing is that there is a balance no matter what, and no one is right or wrong. For the Corvette's and Audi's, they win with torque, for the Porsches, Ferrari's and BMW's, they win with HP and revs.
Now we just need another torque monster with factory support to jump into the ALMS GT2 frey and that will settle it once and for all. But with BMW, Porsche and Ferrari there, I wouldn't get my hopes up.
Not this again.
I still side with hp, revs and decent torque numbers above all. The thing is that there is a balance no matter what, and no one is right or wrong. For the Corvette's and Audi's, they win with torque, for the Porsches, Ferrari's and BMW's, they win with HP and revs.
Now we just need another torque monster with factory support to jump into the ALMS GT2 frey and that will settle it once and for all. But with BMW, Porsche and Ferrari there, I wouldn't get my hopes up.
After LeMans the Corvette factory team is dropping down to ALMS GT2.
You might have your... "answer" at Road Atlanta's... Petit LeMans.
Cya @ the track,
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03-17-2009, 12:38 PM
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03-17-2009, 12:42 PM
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03-17-2009, 12:45 PM
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So, less than half the respondents picked that there would be no way a lower torque, same HP race car would be better on a road course. Would anyone like to back up their understanding with an explanation?
Keep in mind, we are talking two exact same race cars, but the drive train (engine/transmission-same gear spacing) could be the one with high torque or lower torque.
So, for those of you that voted that higher torque engines always are better on a race car, care to share your logic. Expecially in light of an example that proves otherwise?
I found a two equal HP engines from two different race cars. If the lower torque engine was used in the comparison, it would provide more "rear wheel torque " at any speed, any point on any track, compared to the higher torque engine in the same race car!l This is because it is the broader HP curve that only matters!
I would like to hear ONE single logical, mathematical, spiritual, imperical reason why 14 who voted for "higher torque", that can prove that claim.
There will be prizes for the best answer, placing 1st though 3rd.
(Prediction: VR will not be able to make the podium)
Mk
Keep in mind, we are talking two exact same race cars, but the drive train (engine/transmission-same gear spacing) could be the one with high torque or lower torque.
So, for those of you that voted that higher torque engines always are better on a race car, care to share your logic. Expecially in light of an example that proves otherwise?
I found a two equal HP engines from two different race cars. If the lower torque engine was used in the comparison, it would provide more "rear wheel torque " at any speed, any point on any track, compared to the higher torque engine in the same race car!l This is because it is the broader HP curve that only matters!
I would like to hear ONE single logical, mathematical, spiritual, imperical reason why 14 who voted for "higher torque", that can prove that claim.
There will be prizes for the best answer, placing 1st though 3rd.
(Prediction: VR will not be able to make the podium)
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03-17-2009, 12:49 PM
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Mark, you're at an 11 (like your separated-at-birth twin shown here).
We need you at a 2.
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