MID OHIO MAY 17 &18
05-22-2008, 09:48 AM
#106
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Nice going, Larry! Great video. I apologize---I must have misplaced your invitation for me to co-drive...
05-22-2008, 10:55 AM
#107
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Here's my fast lap from the MO race weekend. I do a few things differently than Fast Larry, so I, too, welcome comments from MO experts: DrJupe's MO Fast Lap (25.1MB, Quicktime)
05-22-2008, 02:31 PM
#109
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I posted my yellow sprint video on its own thread.
Larry and Jupe, nice driving. Thanks for the videos.
Larry you are a bad influence on me, I signed up for the Glen a couple days ago an got in. After talking about it with you at lunch, it sounded like too much fun to miss out on. See you guys next week.
Larry and Jupe, nice driving. Thanks for the videos.
Larry you are a bad influence on me, I signed up for the Glen a couple days ago an got in. After talking about it with you at lunch, it sounded like too much fun to miss out on. See you guys next week.
05-22-2008, 03:41 PM
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Doug, I won't be there, but you will have a great time.
Charlie, that was a terrific lap. You really commit to some early apexes with full power. Must be the 250 lbs less and the slicks.
I can see where you are a little different in 7 & 8, but I think that is more of a turn-in and grip issue. I tried hugging the apex in 8 and my car just understeers out of the turn, until I crest it and then the back steps out. Everywhere else we seem to be in the same place...I'm just going a little slower.
Charlie, that was a terrific lap. You really commit to some early apexes with full power. Must be the 250 lbs less and the slicks.
I can see where you are a little different in 7 & 8, but I think that is more of a turn-in and grip issue. I tried hugging the apex in 8 and my car just understeers out of the turn, until I crest it and then the back steps out. Everywhere else we seem to be in the same place...I'm just going a little slower.
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2016 Ford Transit Connect Titanium LWB
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Retired Club Racer & National PCA Instructor
Past Flames:
1994 RS America Club Racer
2004 GT3 Track Car
1984 911 Carrera Club Racer
1974 914/4 2.0 Track Car
CLICK HERE to see some of my ancient racing videos.
05-22-2008, 03:58 PM
#111
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Here's my fast lap from the MO race weekend. I do a few things differently than Fast Larry, so I, too, welcome comments from MO experts: DrJupe's MO Fast Lap (25.1MB, Quicktime)
05-22-2008, 06:27 PM
#112
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Here's my fast lap from the MO race weekend. I do a few things differently than Fast Larry, so I, too, welcome comments from MO experts: DrJupe's MO Fast Lap (25.1MB, Quicktime)
First, how come all you guys brake for T1 and T13?
Chicane part of Keyhole - You can carry more speed through the first right hander, then hard braking and stay a half car width off the first apex to the left. That give you a much straighter shot to the last part of the keyhole and you can be on throttle much sooner. In the later part of the keyhole, you should breath off the throttle as the track drops away. It looks to me like you are fighting the push all the way through there. If you breath/lift, the car will rotate and you can get on the gas much sooner.
T7 looked great. You are using all the track out and have enough to get back over half a car width for Madness.
10a, 10b - much like the chicane part of the keyhole but here you want to hit the left apex and miss the second one by a half car width. Same deal as it gives you a much straighter shot into T11.
T11 - This is increasing radius and will take more entry speed. The car can be squirrelly at entry and will recover at the apex. Beyond that, this corner is a question of how much risk you are willing to take for time. With an earlier apex, you can take a good half second off lap times, but it is higher risk.
T13 (left hander) - This is less than 90 degrees so you need to be very slightly earlier on turn in and apex. 13 and 1 are sisters but 1 is a bit more than 90 degrees while 13 is a bit less.
05-22-2008, 09:02 PM
#114
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Nice lap Charlie. I have a couple of suggestions, some of which I also sent to Larry.
First, how come all you guys brake for T1 and T13?
Chicane part of Keyhole - You can carry more speed through the first right hander, then hard braking and stay a half car width off the first apex to the left. That give you a much straighter shot to the last part of the keyhole and you can be on throttle much sooner. In the later part of the keyhole, you should breath off the throttle as the track drops away. It looks to me like you are fighting the push all the way through there. If you breath/lift, the car will rotate and you can get on the gas much sooner.
T7 looked great. You are using all the track out and have enough to get back over half a car width for Madness.
10a, 10b - much like the chicane part of the keyhole but here you want to hit the left apex and miss the second one by a half car width. Same deal as it gives you a much straighter shot into T11.
T11 - This is increasing radius and will take more entry speed. The car can be squirrelly at entry and will recover at the apex. Beyond that, this corner is a question of how much risk you are willing to take for time. With an earlier apex, you can take a good half second off lap times, but it is higher risk.
T13 (left hander) - This is less than 90 degrees so you need to be very slightly earlier on turn in and apex. 13 and 1 are sisters but 1 is a bit more than 90 degrees while 13 is a bit less.
First, how come all you guys brake for T1 and T13?
Chicane part of Keyhole - You can carry more speed through the first right hander, then hard braking and stay a half car width off the first apex to the left. That give you a much straighter shot to the last part of the keyhole and you can be on throttle much sooner. In the later part of the keyhole, you should breath off the throttle as the track drops away. It looks to me like you are fighting the push all the way through there. If you breath/lift, the car will rotate and you can get on the gas much sooner.
T7 looked great. You are using all the track out and have enough to get back over half a car width for Madness.
10a, 10b - much like the chicane part of the keyhole but here you want to hit the left apex and miss the second one by a half car width. Same deal as it gives you a much straighter shot into T11.
T11 - This is increasing radius and will take more entry speed. The car can be squirrelly at entry and will recover at the apex. Beyond that, this corner is a question of how much risk you are willing to take for time. With an earlier apex, you can take a good half second off lap times, but it is higher risk.
T13 (left hander) - This is less than 90 degrees so you need to be very slightly earlier on turn in and apex. 13 and 1 are sisters but 1 is a bit more than 90 degrees while 13 is a bit less.
Is T11 the turn up over the hill into Thunder Valley? I don't know my MO turn #s very well...
05-22-2008, 09:03 PM
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05-22-2008, 09:20 PM
#116
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05-22-2008, 09:44 PM
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05-22-2008, 10:02 PM
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05-22-2008, 10:12 PM
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05-22-2008, 10:17 PM
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That would make sense in that both Charlie and Colin did not have to slow as much as I did for T1, so I had better acceleration using 3rd, and it took me almost to the chicane, so it was faster than staying in 4th.