Where are the Kimi detractors 08
02-27-2008, 02:00 AM
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02-27-2008, 02:17 AM
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No rumsy , massa is no 2 for sure , The finn rides with a Tonto for 08 
For Massa to win Kimi would have to have a really bad start and Massa stays close to Hamilton , i would say , if only he could be so lucky ....... Massa just needs to beat Heiki ....
For Massa to win Kimi would have to have a really bad start and Massa stays close to Hamilton , i would say , if only he could be so lucky ....... Massa just needs to beat Heiki ....
02-27-2008, 08:49 AM
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A. Wayne, be real. Ferarri will allow both drivers a chance to get ahead and then back the driver with the best chance of challanging for WDC when a clear leader evolves. I think that will be Kimi but if Massa gets off to a great start, which is not completely unrealistic, then Ferarri will back Massa. There is no clear #1 there like in the days of MS.
02-27-2008, 09:46 AM
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Mitch,
Ferrari placed Massa into that no 2 slot , last year while kimi was behind him in points, now Kimi is WDC , what would make you think Massa is not the clear no2.
Clear No 2 drivers are
1. Massa
2. Heiki
3. Piquet
4. Nakajima
Ferrari placed Massa into that no 2 slot , last year while kimi was behind him in points, now Kimi is WDC , what would make you think Massa is not the clear no2.
Clear No 2 drivers are
1. Massa
2. Heiki
3. Piquet
4. Nakajima
02-27-2008, 10:13 AM
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I didn't see it that way for Massa. He made himself into a #2 by not being clearly superior. I'm not as good as you at remembering all the facts from last season but I do remember both drivers being allowed to race for victory as long as they didn't take each other out. Kimi clearly was in the lead going into the final stretch and that was when Ferarri got behind him ordering Massa into a supporter role. I believe at that time, only Kimi was in a mathmatical position to challange for WDC.
02-27-2008, 11:31 AM
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In 2007 Kimi and Massa were both provided equal status. It was at the very end when Massa slipped behind Kimi, Alonso and Hamilton that he was in the supporting role.
In my view, 2007 was a test to see who would rise to the top. After Kimi came to grip (pun intended) with the Bridgestones and the chassis, he had more points than any of the other 3 contenders by far. The only problem was that he was so far down after races 2-5, it made it look like it was much closer than it really was.
I don't expect Kimi to be in the hole as he was in 07. Not to say that Massa won't be close, I just think Kimi is a superior driver and more mentally strong to go through a close championship year than Massa.
In my view, 2007 was a test to see who would rise to the top. After Kimi came to grip (pun intended) with the Bridgestones and the chassis, he had more points than any of the other 3 contenders by far. The only problem was that he was so far down after races 2-5, it made it look like it was much closer than it really was.
I don't expect Kimi to be in the hole as he was in 07. Not to say that Massa won't be close, I just think Kimi is a superior driver and more mentally strong to go through a close championship year than Massa.
03-02-2008, 12:20 PM
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Lewis Hamilton is a better driver , says Sir frank
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...02125750.shtml
Lewis Hamilton is a better driver than F1's reigning world champion Kimi Raikkonen, the boss of the British Formula One team Williams has suggested.
Sir Frank Williams told reporters at a media lunch in London last week that rivals McLaren will have some consolation this season if Ferrari's F2008 turns out as expected to be a quicker package.
Referring to 23-year-old rookie Hamilton, the 2007 championship runner up, Williams is quoted as saying by the Daily Record: "If the Ferrari is the better car this year, McLaren should be saying to themselves 'Thank god he is not in a Ferrari, otherwise there would be no point going racing'."
Williams, 65, is reluctant to declare decisively that Raikkonen, the Finnish driver, is simply not as good as Hamilton.
"I don't know Kimi well. He is a gifted driver, as good as anyone, but Kimi's weakness is that he is not that interested.
"So if a man of equal skill, let's say, turns up in an identical car, with one working harder than the other, it is more likely that that man would have the upper hand," he added.
Lewis Hamilton is a better driver than F1's reigning world champion Kimi Raikkonen, the boss of the British Formula One team Williams has suggested.
Sir Frank Williams told reporters at a media lunch in London last week that rivals McLaren will have some consolation this season if Ferrari's F2008 turns out as expected to be a quicker package.
Referring to 23-year-old rookie Hamilton, the 2007 championship runner up, Williams is quoted as saying by the Daily Record: "If the Ferrari is the better car this year, McLaren should be saying to themselves 'Thank god he is not in a Ferrari, otherwise there would be no point going racing'."
Williams, 65, is reluctant to declare decisively that Raikkonen, the Finnish driver, is simply not as good as Hamilton.
"I don't know Kimi well. He is a gifted driver, as good as anyone, but Kimi's weakness is that he is not that interested.
"So if a man of equal skill, let's say, turns up in an identical car, with one working harder than the other, it is more likely that that man would have the upper hand," he added.
03-04-2008, 02:01 PM
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Hamilton: Raikkonen set for tough fight
By Simon Strang Tuesday, March 4th 2008, 10:19 GMT
Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, in Barcelona testingLewis Hamilton has told Kimi Raikkonen that he has definitely got a fight on his hands for the world championship in 2008.
The McLaren driver believes that although the world champion's testing pace has been impressive through the winter, he thinks McLaren have given him a car capable of challenging for the title.
"With the package we have, I doubt very much that Kimi will run away with it," Hamilton told British media during a press event at the McLaren factory. "What they [Ferrari] have is a very good car.
"But I thought it was a bit strange that they weren't at all the tests that we were. They were very fast in Bahrain but we don't know what they were doing there. Barcelona is very accurate though, and, if you look at last year in Barcelona, there was a bigger gap - three to four tenths between us. This year I think it is a lot closer. We have very equal cars."
Hamilton revealed that losing the world championship title in Brazil last year was a bigger blow than he had previously admitted, but added that this experience had strengthened his determination and resolve over the winter break.
The McLaren driver also explained that part of his training had been focussed on learning to deal with the pressures of being a title contender more efficiently.
"I have learned not to let the pressure get to you," he said. "I know you have got to stay focussed and not let all the politics and everything get to you. Not that it ever did last year. That was one of my strengths and that's what I have got to maintain.
"It is slightly different from last year. I know what to expect this year and know how to be better in all those different races and qualifying sessions. That's what all the training has been about."
He added: "The last couple of races did get hard. I was as high as could be after Japan, and I went to China with that same confidence, but for anyone it is going to be hard having a hit like that.
"Losing the world championship for someone who works their whole life for it [is tough to take]. The amount of support I was given from friends and family was positive.
"This year is going to be different. I don't have any doubts in my mind that I am going to do a good job this year - but it means something different. It means I want to win it."
Hamilton also warned his rivals that he expects to be even more competitive in his second season now that he has established himself as one of Formula One's leading contenders with a year's experience to draw on.
"I feel there is less pressure on me from the outside world," Hamilton said. "Maybe there is more but I feel there is less. Last year I had to prove everyone wrong.
"There were people saying, can he or can't he do it? I am sure even a lot of people in the team were, because although I was quick in testing, racing in F1 is completely different.
"In your first year everyone is waiting for you to fall. This year is different because everybody knows I can drive. I will be knocked a lot more for mistakes this year because I was a rookie last year.
"I feel going into the first race I am not going into an unknown world. All last year these new things were being thrown at me with all the different appearances I had to do sitting on the grid for my first race.
"This year I know what I have got to do to get to the front of the grid."
Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, in Barcelona testingLewis Hamilton has told Kimi Raikkonen that he has definitely got a fight on his hands for the world championship in 2008.
The McLaren driver believes that although the world champion's testing pace has been impressive through the winter, he thinks McLaren have given him a car capable of challenging for the title.
"With the package we have, I doubt very much that Kimi will run away with it," Hamilton told British media during a press event at the McLaren factory. "What they [Ferrari] have is a very good car.
"But I thought it was a bit strange that they weren't at all the tests that we were. They were very fast in Bahrain but we don't know what they were doing there. Barcelona is very accurate though, and, if you look at last year in Barcelona, there was a bigger gap - three to four tenths between us. This year I think it is a lot closer. We have very equal cars."
Hamilton revealed that losing the world championship title in Brazil last year was a bigger blow than he had previously admitted, but added that this experience had strengthened his determination and resolve over the winter break.
The McLaren driver also explained that part of his training had been focussed on learning to deal with the pressures of being a title contender more efficiently.
"I have learned not to let the pressure get to you," he said. "I know you have got to stay focussed and not let all the politics and everything get to you. Not that it ever did last year. That was one of my strengths and that's what I have got to maintain.
"It is slightly different from last year. I know what to expect this year and know how to be better in all those different races and qualifying sessions. That's what all the training has been about."
He added: "The last couple of races did get hard. I was as high as could be after Japan, and I went to China with that same confidence, but for anyone it is going to be hard having a hit like that.
"Losing the world championship for someone who works their whole life for it [is tough to take]. The amount of support I was given from friends and family was positive.
"This year is going to be different. I don't have any doubts in my mind that I am going to do a good job this year - but it means something different. It means I want to win it."
Hamilton also warned his rivals that he expects to be even more competitive in his second season now that he has established himself as one of Formula One's leading contenders with a year's experience to draw on.
"I feel there is less pressure on me from the outside world," Hamilton said. "Maybe there is more but I feel there is less. Last year I had to prove everyone wrong.
"There were people saying, can he or can't he do it? I am sure even a lot of people in the team were, because although I was quick in testing, racing in F1 is completely different.
"In your first year everyone is waiting for you to fall. This year is different because everybody knows I can drive. I will be knocked a lot more for mistakes this year because I was a rookie last year.
"I feel going into the first race I am not going into an unknown world. All last year these new things were being thrown at me with all the different appearances I had to do sitting on the grid for my first race.
"This year I know what I have got to do to get to the front of the grid."
03-04-2008, 03:30 PM
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Hamilton: "Hi Kimi, let me tell you, you have definitely got a fight on your hands for the world championship in 2008."
Kimi: "Yeah, whatever Rick, I mean Jack" (whispers to his assintant): "what's that blokes name?, "sorry, Lewis. Youwannagoforabeer? No? OKseeyouatMelbourne."
Kimi: "Yeah, whatever Rick, I mean Jack" (whispers to his assintant): "what's that blokes name?, "sorry, Lewis. Youwannagoforabeer? No? OKseeyouatMelbourne."
03-04-2008, 03:34 PM
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The difference will be who's number 2 helps the best , i believe Kimi will get better support from his no 2 ( like MS ) this will make the difference , in a straight up fight , i believe Hammy to be faster ......
This is a new year for Kimi as WDC, being WDC i would expect him to lift his game , so maybe this year should be different for Kimi, last year he did not show to be any faster than his contemporaries and at best same as Massa for speed , we will see what this year unfolds....
This is a new year for Kimi as WDC, being WDC i would expect him to lift his game , so maybe this year should be different for Kimi, last year he did not show to be any faster than his contemporaries and at best same as Massa for speed , we will see what this year unfolds....
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03-04-2008, 04:52 PM
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I like how Hamilton is trying to make two points. First he states that he has been working on not letting the pressure and politics of F1 get to him then he says that it didn't anyway. The second point is that he says that as a rookie, everyone is waiting for you to fail. I think that rookies have less pressure than a 2 time WDC. Let's face it, the pressure's on for Hamilton this year. And with daddy #2 gone, it will be fun to watch how the Mac family does.
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03-04-2008, 06:53 PM
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Alonso is faster than Kimi, Alonso beat Schumacher/ Brawn/todt combination twice , only other person during that era to do so , Hakkinen , Kimi never did ,
Alonso is a more complete package than Kimi , who just drinks , drive then drink again, fast yes , but we have yet to see a really serious Raikonen .
Hamilton is more talented and faster than Kimi and the rest in F1 as a matter of fact , if his maturity ripens this year he will beat kimi , if not he will implode again .... he is only currently surpassed by Alonso experience and levelheadedness, we will see if he mature's to that level.
03-04-2008, 07:41 PM
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Alonso is faster than Kimi, Alonso beat Schumacher/ Brawn/todt combination twice , only other person during that era to do so , Hakkinen , Kimi never did ,
Alonso is a more complete package than Kimi , who just drinks , drive then drink again, fast yes , but we have yet to see a really serious Raikonen .
Hamilton is more talented and faster than Kimi and the rest in F1 as a matter of fact , if his maturity ripens this year he will beat kimi , if not he will implode again .... he is only currently surpassed by Alonso experience and levelheadedness, we will see if he mature's to that level.
Alonso is a more complete package than Kimi , who just drinks , drive then drink again, fast yes , but we have yet to see a really serious Raikonen .
Hamilton is more talented and faster than Kimi and the rest in F1 as a matter of fact , if his maturity ripens this year he will beat kimi , if not he will implode again .... he is only currently surpassed by Alonso experience and levelheadedness, we will see if he mature's to that level.
It's nice to see you preparing to donate (same flawed logic) more liquor to the Amigo coffers in '08.
