MAVPCA DE 9/22-9/23 MSR Cresson. Who's going?
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Your driving looks great, hope I see you out at MSR soon. If you see me, come introduce yourself.
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Tom,
Here are my suggestions: First, stop trying to threshold brake, it's messing up your entry (making it inconsistent from lap to lap). Second, you need to attack the corners. I don't hear any tire noise, except under braking (and maybe through Tombstone). You goal should be to hear the tires squealing from corner entry to track out. That's what makes street tires so useful. Also, I don't hear you get on the gas until after track out. You need to be floored by or before the apex. Remember, every additional mph that you increase your exit speed gets carried the entire length of the straight. That's really important for corners like Tombstone and Big Bend. Finally, you need to stop focusing on lap times and start concentrating on the fundamentals. I see you trying to be fast, but sometimes that makes you slow. I know all about that........
Anyway, please don't take the above as a criticism, I'm just trying to offer some help.
BTW, my neighbor was there and got solo'd. He was in a bone stock 996 on street tires and running in the 38's.
Steve, are you going to Hallett?
G.
Here are my suggestions: First, stop trying to threshold brake, it's messing up your entry (making it inconsistent from lap to lap). Second, you need to attack the corners. I don't hear any tire noise, except under braking (and maybe through Tombstone). You goal should be to hear the tires squealing from corner entry to track out. That's what makes street tires so useful. Also, I don't hear you get on the gas until after track out. You need to be floored by or before the apex. Remember, every additional mph that you increase your exit speed gets carried the entire length of the straight. That's really important for corners like Tombstone and Big Bend. Finally, you need to stop focusing on lap times and start concentrating on the fundamentals. I see you trying to be fast, but sometimes that makes you slow. I know all about that........
Anyway, please don't take the above as a criticism, I'm just trying to offer some help.
BTW, my neighbor was there and got solo'd. He was in a bone stock 996 on street tires and running in the 38's.
Steve, are you going to Hallett?
G.
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Tom,
Here are my suggestions: First, stop trying to threshold brake, it's messing up your entry (making it inconsistent from lap to lap). Second, you need to attack the corners. I don't hear any tire noise, except under braking (and maybe through Tombstone). You goal should be to hear the tires squealing from corner entry to track out. That's what makes street tires so useful. Also, I don't hear you get on the gas until after track out. You need to be floored by or before the apex. Remember, every additional mph that you increase your exit speed gets carried the entire length of the straight. That's really important for corners like Tombstone and Big Bend. Finally, you need to stop focusing on lap times and start concentrating on the fundamentals. I see you trying to be fast, but sometimes that makes you slow. I know all about that........
Anyway, please don't take the above as a criticism, I'm just trying to offer some help.
BTW, my neighbor was there and got solo'd. He was in a bone stock 996 on street tires and running in the 38's.
Steve, are you going to Hallett?
G.
Here are my suggestions: First, stop trying to threshold brake, it's messing up your entry (making it inconsistent from lap to lap). Second, you need to attack the corners. I don't hear any tire noise, except under braking (and maybe through Tombstone). You goal should be to hear the tires squealing from corner entry to track out. That's what makes street tires so useful. Also, I don't hear you get on the gas until after track out. You need to be floored by or before the apex. Remember, every additional mph that you increase your exit speed gets carried the entire length of the straight. That's really important for corners like Tombstone and Big Bend. Finally, you need to stop focusing on lap times and start concentrating on the fundamentals. I see you trying to be fast, but sometimes that makes you slow. I know all about that........
Anyway, please don't take the above as a criticism, I'm just trying to offer some help.
BTW, my neighbor was there and got solo'd. He was in a bone stock 996 on street tires and running in the 38's.
Steve, are you going to Hallett?
G.
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Thanks David's..... I really think MSR is one of the most difficult tracks to master because of all of the non-conventional corners, ie. off-camber down-hill left-hander (Rattlesnake, my favorite). I don't think there are two corners on the track that are the same. I think it really takes a lot track time to get it right. Now the good part is that once you've got it down, it makes other tracks seem easy.
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Here are my suggestions: First, stop trying to threshold brake, it's messing up your entry (making it inconsistent from lap to lap). Second, you need to attack the corners. I don't hear any tire noise, except under braking (and maybe through Tombstone). You goal should be to hear the tires squealing from corner entry to track out. That's what makes street tires so useful.
Thanks for feedback! Braking is the hardest thing for me to get right, and it's where I spend most of my "concentrated efforts." It's not so much threshold braking, just braking in general. If I over brake, I turn in early and miss the apex. If I under brake, I turn in late and miss apex. Sometimes, I'll over brake and just coast a car length to the turn in. But all these situations affect my ability to WOT properly.
As for the tires, I'm trying to maximize their work load, but my inability to get them to "talk" every corner is a function of the things you mentioned -> excessive braking (slow) and not WOT (not fast). But, lack of noise is arguably "good" news, since it shows that there is more work the tires can do in their operating "zone." AKA more go.
Also, I don't hear you get on the gas until after track out. You need to be floored by or before the apex. Remember, every additional mph that you increase your exit speed gets carried the entire length of the straight. That's really important for corners like Tombstone and Big Bend.
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I realize that I'm hooked on the track and need to develop new tools. Problem is, there is only a limited amount of time on the track. So what I really need is a better a way to maximize my learning time at the track. I tend to try too fix too many things at once, and end up getting nothing "right."
Again, thanks for the tips!
-tom
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Tom,
You are on the right path. The first step is to realize what you are really doing as opposed to what you think you are doing. Video is a great tool for that. I can't tell you how many times I watch my stuff and realize that I was doing things I shouldn't. Lap times are also a great tool, but if you get too focused on them, you lose the big picture. BTW, I've got a huge collection of MSR videos I can share with you. I guess I'll try to upload them this weekend.
You know I'm a member of MSR, as is David (23). If you ever get the bug to go out there on a non event weekend, shoot me an email and I'll see if I can work it out. My neighbor is building a G car and constantly haggling me to go out there with him (I think he is about to be a member). Finally, I also joined Eagles Canyon, so there's also another option.
G.
You are on the right path. The first step is to realize what you are really doing as opposed to what you think you are doing. Video is a great tool for that. I can't tell you how many times I watch my stuff and realize that I was doing things I shouldn't. Lap times are also a great tool, but if you get too focused on them, you lose the big picture. BTW, I've got a huge collection of MSR videos I can share with you. I guess I'll try to upload them this weekend.
You know I'm a member of MSR, as is David (23). If you ever get the bug to go out there on a non event weekend, shoot me an email and I'll see if I can work it out. My neighbor is building a G car and constantly haggling me to go out there with him (I think he is about to be a member). Finally, I also joined Eagles Canyon, so there's also another option.
G.
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Thanks David's..... I really think MSR is one of the most difficult tracks to master because of all of the non-conventional corners, ie. off-camber down-hill left-hander (Rattlesnake, my favorite). I don't think there are two corners on the track that are the same. I think it really takes a lot track time to get it right. Now the good part is that once you've got it down, it makes other tracks seem easy.
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Tom,
I am always interested in having someone come out to MSR with me as a guest. It is more fun than going out alone. You can shoot me an email also and we can hook up.
A ride with George will open your eyes a bit. As I mentioned, he has MSR dialed, and is quite talented.
I am always interested in having someone come out to MSR with me as a guest. It is more fun than going out alone. You can shoot me an email also and we can hook up.
A ride with George will open your eyes a bit. As I mentioned, he has MSR dialed, and is quite talented.
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David, when you guys run member days out there, is it always the 1.7? I really, really, really wish I wasn't going to be out of town every weekend in October til the DE...
Speaking of the Oct DE, I just got an email from MavRegion that they are planning to run the 1.7 for the Oct 27 DE instead of the 3.1. That's kind of frustrating because I was looking forward to working on turns 8, 9, and 10 again. Much improvement still needed there.
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Speaking of the Oct DE, I just got an email from MavRegion that they are planning to run the 1.7 for the Oct 27 DE instead of the 3.1. That's kind of frustrating because I was looking forward to working on turns 8, 9, and 10 again. Much improvement still needed there.