Notices
Racing & Drivers Education Forum
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

F1 Ferrari accused of cheating

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-20-2007, 01:25 PM
  #1  
ltc
Super Moderator
Needs More Cowbell

Lifetime Rennlist
Member
Thread Starter
 
ltc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 29,323
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes on 10 Posts
Default F1 Ferrari accused of cheating

http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/36099/

This should be interesting to watch. Last year it was the flexible rear wing, the 'sliding' front wing and now we have the moveable floor.
Old 03-20-2007, 01:32 PM
  #2  
Bryan Watts
Drifting
 
Bryan Watts's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 2,585
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by ltc
Last year it was the flexible rear wing, the 'sliding' front wing and now we have the moveable floor.
Not to mention the "brake ducts":
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=37137
Old 03-20-2007, 02:13 PM
  #3  
A.Wayne
Formula One Spin Doctor
Rennlist Member
 
A.Wayne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: RPM Central
Posts: 20,448
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by ltc
http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/36099/

This should be interesting to watch. Last year it was the flexible rear wing, the 'sliding' front wing and now we have the moveable floor.

Hmmm , ferrari got caught cheating , this is unusual


nothing will come of it , if it does ferrari threathens to stay home , FIA backs down , business as usual
Old 03-20-2007, 02:59 PM
  #4  
flashgordon
Instructor
 
flashgordon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Washington, NJ
Posts: 209
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I am confident that every car is cheating in one form or another. The cars are so sophisticated that there is no way to police the teams in every area. This is part of formula one racing and always has been. The teams will continue to find innovative yet not so legal ways to make their cars quicker. FIA is constantly trying to play catchup with the rules but the teams remain one step ahead most of the time.
Old 03-20-2007, 03:03 PM
  #5  
Geo
Race Director
 
Geo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Houston, TX USA
Posts: 10,033
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by A.Wayne
Hmmm , ferrari got caught cheating , this is unusual


nothing will come of it , if it does ferrari threathens to stay home , FIA backs down , business as usual
Amen.
Old 03-20-2007, 03:08 PM
  #6  
Lawrence_P
Racer
 
Lawrence_P's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: CT Valley Region
Posts: 339
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Agreed that nothing will come of it. For instance, I believe their wheel disks are plainly "movable aerodynamic devices" since, if Renault's mass damper (which is isolated from air flow) is, how can these not be? Yet they persist.
Old 03-20-2007, 05:45 PM
  #7  
A.Wayne
Formula One Spin Doctor
Rennlist Member
 
A.Wayne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: RPM Central
Posts: 20,448
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Lawrence_P
Agreed that nothing will come of it. For instance, I believe their wheel disks are plainly "movable aerodynamic devices" since, if Renault's mass damper (which is isolated from air flow) is, how can these not be? Yet they persist.

Because the stands are red my friend , I remember years ago at my first F1 event , feeling very much the mcclaren man, only to realize , McClaren ! there where a handful for MClaren fans, all Red, ferrari fans dominate the stands , the venue , a sea of red.if mClaren quits tomorrow , who cares

F1 means ferrari racing in pig latin
Old 03-20-2007, 06:03 PM
  #8  
}{arlequin
Pro
 
}{arlequin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: DC/Boston
Posts: 623
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

here's one more in-depth explanation:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/57511
Old 03-20-2007, 06:34 PM
  #9  
classic911
Instructor
 
classic911's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Katonah, NY
Posts: 240
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

If FIA cleared it then it should be no issue; all teams bend the rules a little; Chapman was a genius at creative rule interpretation....

McLaren's big issue is speed, or lack thereof....
Old 03-20-2007, 06:45 PM
  #10  
}{arlequin
Pro
 
}{arlequin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: DC/Boston
Posts: 623
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by classic911

McLaren's big issue is speed, or lack thereof....
mclaren's big issue is the whiney-ness of Ron McDennis whenever his cars are not competitive
Old 03-20-2007, 06:52 PM
  #11  
ltc
Super Moderator
Needs More Cowbell

Lifetime Rennlist
Member
Thread Starter
 
ltc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 29,323
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes on 10 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by classic911
McLaren's big issue is speed, or lack thereof....
IIRC, Kimi had a full second over either of the McLaren cars for race pace.
Old 03-20-2007, 07:21 PM
  #12  
wombat7
Three Wheelin'
 
wombat7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 1,752
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

If you're not cheating, you're not trying hard enough. everyone is cheating to an extent.
Old 03-20-2007, 07:25 PM
  #13  
DrJupeman
Rennlist Member
 
DrJupeman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 9,170
Received 9 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

No reason for Ferrari to cheat, don't their drivers just punt people if they are losing?

Or is that just ALMS?
Old 03-20-2007, 07:27 PM
  #14  
pole position
Burning Brakes
 
pole position's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Official Jack off extinguisher
Posts: 1,173
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

LOL, what a surprise, his cars are one sec plus a lap slower against the ,what appears not to be pushing, Ferrari's and now good ol' Ronnie claims there must be something illegal. What will be illegal when his cars are starting to blow up again when it gets hot ?
Old 03-20-2007, 09:54 PM
  #15  
Bryan Watts
Drifting
 
Bryan Watts's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 2,585
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by DrJupeman
No reason for Ferrari to cheat, don't their drivers just punt people if they are losing?
A punt would be dirty...Jorg's car didn't even get sideways. Stop being such a baby...ALMS doesn't race under a 13/13 rule. There's nothing dirty about learning on someone in the last lap in the last corner to get a race win at the 12 Hours of Sebring. Every racer in the paddock would do it, including Jorg. Jorg was just whining because he knew he had given the race away...it's a natural reaction to get whiny when you lose and your adrenlin is pumping and emotions are running high.


Quick Reply: F1 Ferrari accused of cheating



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 12:19 AM.