Geo

Geez if we're going to have a F1 trivia contest it needs to be easier than naming the only posthumous champion the sport has ever known and the fact he was killed with a handfull of races to go.

That would be Jochen Rindt of course.

Nano

anyways children, getting back on topic...

the front splitter/floor suspect elements

Ferrari



BMW

A.Wayne

Any bets the floor stays if Ferrari challenge's the rulings

A.Wayne

He was more concerned about his teammate , G. Hill 2 W/C or did he not know that B. ecclestone was the competition director and manger for rindt while at lotus and that rindt was the second driver lost by ecclestone , while being their manager ..

Bernis has since moved on to tackle bigger things

hacker-pschorr

This thread never went off topic. The main topic is FIA vs. Ferrari & Bernie Vs. the rest of the field.

FIA = Max who is in Bernie's pocket.

So to sum up:

FIA (MAX & Bernie) vs. Ferrari (Bernie) vs. the rest of the field

Does it all makes sense now?

A.Wayne

what Pole , you are not back yet !

Nano

There has been no ruling, maybe you mean challenges Ron Dennis constant whinning?

The floor afaik was on since 2006, passed every technical inspection.

Geo

BFD. The mass damper passed every technical inspection as well.

Nano

it's been discussed the mass damper would have been fine, hadn't renault bent the rule around it and made a poor case defending it.

Thank Ron for whinning

you might add the Renault/Ferrari flexi wings to that

Geo

The really interesting part of all this that Max and Bernie used to be on the other side of the table. The Concorde Agreement ended the FISA/FOCA war when Bernie and Max were the main characters for FOCA in that war. Now they are on the other side.

For those who are new to this (as in less than 25 or so years), FISA was the sporting arm of the FIA at one time and FOCA was the Formula One Constructors Association (the constructors). Max was Bernie's lawyer (who drew up the Concorde Agreement IIRC) and Bernie was the lead man for FOCA.

A.Wayne

+1




Regardless of how you cut it , this is no longer the same sport anymore , if
Massa and kimi race each other like how mansel and Piquet used to , or prost senna , mansel ,de angelis , mansel , prost for eg. there will be no whining from me and i would be happy like nanosecond with a thought in a deep bucket


sigh, just feel it will be business as usual with massa having mechanical problems poor pitstops and kimi winning everything , kimi and alonso show , but no scummie . so i will take it

Geo

Amen.

And that of course leads back to my measure of the greats. You want to talk about greats? Look at their teammates and the number of WC won by their teammates. Scummie, while a great driver (no question), doesn't even place in that contest. But, this argument is about teams and the FIA, not drivers (although Scummie was so clearly favored by the FIA I think he secretly dressed up as a sheep for Bernie).

pole position

I don't know the tea pot story, maybe I do if I hear it repeated to me. But I was not concerned with Graham Hill, Rindt's two best friends were Piers Courage and Jackie Stewart, the first one burned to death earlier in the 1970 season and Stewart became WDC x2 in 1971.

Moving Chicane

This has become very childish very quicklly. I don't care who did what in 1970 or who died in the plane crash, but you, A. Wayne, appear to be one of those types of people who have an opinion on everything and only you are right. You know what they say, opinions are like Aholes and I suppose that is what the A. in your name represents.

I also find you quite hypocritical as your favorite sons such as Senna and Montoya have no problem being bulls in a china shop to the point where they even hit their own teammates to move them aside and Senna went on record as to his intentions to hit his opponents while on track. But when a certain Schumacher does this, you find it unacceptable.

You also brush it aside and say "That's racing". Well if that is true, then Schumacher's tactics on track should be in line with your views. No other driver was more ruthless on track to the point where their teammate was another piece of the puzzle to help him win. Off track he built an underacheiving Ferrari into a dynasty. Before that he won two titles with a mediocre Benetton team.

You can have your opinion on whom is the greatest of all time, however, your comment that a 7 time Champion is not even in the discussion on greatest of all time is simply myopic. I'm afraid you look very foolish and become more so with every subsequent post.

GO_ANALOG

My sentiments exactly!!!

Okay boys... Where do you go from here

I leave for a day, two pages on this post then I think? Now six. Wow... So much passion...

To F1

Sort of reminds me of a little Monty Python scetch called the "The Argument Clinic"

The Cast (in order of appearance.)
M= Man looking for an argument
R= Receptionist
Q= Abuser
A= Arguer (John Cleese)
C= Complainer (Eric Idle)
H= Head Hitter


M: Ah. I'd like to have an argument, please.
R: Certainly sir. Have you been here before?
M: No, I haven't, this is my first time.
R: I see. Well, do you want to have just one argument, or were you thinking of taking a course?
M: Well, what is the cost?
R: Well, It's one pound for a five minute argument, but only eight pounds for a course of ten.
M: Well, I think it would be best if I perhaps started off with just the one and then see how it goes.
R: Fine. Well, I'll see who's free at the moment.
Pause
R: Mr. DeBakey's free, but he's a little bit conciliatory.
Ahh yes, Try Mr. Barnard; room 12.
M: Thank you.

(Walks down the hall. Opens door.)

Q: WHAT DO YOU WANT?
M: Well, I was told outside that...
Q: Don't give me that, you snotty-faced heap of parrot droppings!
M: What?
Q: Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, coffee-nosed, maloderous, pervert!!!
M: Look, I CAME HERE FOR AN ARGUMENT, I'm not going to just stand...!!
Q: OH, oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse.
M: Oh, I see, well, that explains it.
Q: Ah yes, you want room 12A, Just along the corridor.
M: Oh, Thank you very much. Sorry.
Q: Not at all.
M: Thank You.
(Under his breath) Stupid git!!

(Walk down the corridor)
M: (Knock)
A: Come in.
M: Ah, Is this the right room for an argument?
A: I told you once.
M: No you haven't.
A: Yes I have.
M: When?
A: Just now.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: You didn't
A: I did!
M: You didn't!
A: I'm telling you I did!
M: You did not!!
A: Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
M: Oh, just the five minutes.
A: Ah, thank you. Anyway, I did.
M: You most certainly did not.
A: Look, let's get this thing clear; I quite definitely told you.
M: No you did not.
A: Yes I did.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: You didn't.
A: Did.
M: Oh look, this isn't an argument.
A: Yes it is.
M: No it isn't. It's just contradiction.
A: No it isn't.
M: It is!
A: It is not.
M: Look, you just contradicted me.
A: I did not.
M: Oh you did!!
A: No, no, no.
M: You did just then.
A: Nonsense!
M: Oh, this is futile!
A: No it isn't.
M: I came here for a good argument.
A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!

A: Yes it is!
M: Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.
(short pause)
A: No it isn't.
M: It is.
A: Not at all.
M: Now look.
A: (Rings bell) Good Morning.
M: What?
A: That's it. Good morning.
M: I was just getting interested.
A: Sorry, the five minutes is up.
M: That was never five minutes!
A: I'm afraid it was.
M: It wasn't.
Pause
A: I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue anymore.
M: What?!
A: If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.
M: Yes, but that was never five minutes, just now. Oh come on!
A: (Hums)
M: Look, this is ridiculous.
A: I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid!
M: Oh, all right.
(pays money)
A: Thank you.
short pause
M: Well?
A: Well what?
M: That wasn't really five minutes, just now.
A: I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid.
M: I just paid!
A: No you didn't.
M: I DID!
A: No you didn't.
M: Look, I don't want to argue about that.
A: Well, you didn't pay.
M: Aha. If I didn't pay, why are you arguing? I Got you!
A: No you haven't.
M: Yes I have. If you're arguing, I must have paid.
A: Not necessarily. I could be arguing in my spare time.
M: Oh I've had enough of this.
A: No you haven't.
M: Oh Shut up.

(Walks down the stairs. Opens door.)

M: I want to complain.
C: You want to complain! Look at these shoes. I've only had them three weeks and the heels are worn right through.
M: No, I want to complain about...
C: If you complain nothing happens, you might as well not bother.
M: Oh!
C: Oh my back hurts, it's not a very fine day and I'm sick and tired of this office.

(Slams door. walks down corridor, opens next door.)

M: Hello, I want to... Ooooh!
H: No, no, no. Hold your head like this, then go Waaah. Try it again.
M: uuuwwhh!!
H: Better, Better, but Waah, Waah! Put your hand there.
M: No.
H: Now..
M: Waaaaah!!!
H: Good, Good! That's it.
M: Stop hitting me!!
H: What?
M: Stop hitting me!!
H: Stop hitting you?
M: Yes!
H: Why did you come in here then?
M: I wanted to complain.
H: Oh no, that's next door. It's being-hit-on-the-head lessons in here.
M: What a stupid concept.