Lets Play 'What Makes the Ideal Track Car'
03-02-2007, 08:46 AM
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Larry, Todd,
I like the descriptions of the tires. I grasp the numbers best.
I have a new set of Hoosiers in the garage but I know they are better tires than I am a driver so, I instinctively bought a set of streets to progress on. Now I'm convinced I will be buying at least one other pair of streets, possibly many more.
I was able to use the squealing of my tires to gauge the smoothness of my turning. This really turned out to be a good thing. I knew from 4 years of AX that the noise meant I was not smooth and not on the right approach to the apex. Maybe this is another good reason for street tires in the beginning.
Thanks for the depth in the answer.
Boston, I suspect your enthusiasm and aggression will get you through green in no more than two sessions like they did for me. Then a good stint in blue to hone the techniques. I think white will be a tough group, there are drivers in there that just arrived and drivers who are ready to leave. That is a big spread. Either way I don't think it takes THAT many DEs to get to Solo.
When you are riding w/your instructors pay attention to how they turn in, heel toe and double clutch. Each driver is a little different with different levels of ease. Fascinating.
Edit: Actually there is a really BIG difference between drivers.
I like the descriptions of the tires. I grasp the numbers best.
I have a new set of Hoosiers in the garage but I know they are better tires than I am a driver so, I instinctively bought a set of streets to progress on. Now I'm convinced I will be buying at least one other pair of streets, possibly many more.
I was able to use the squealing of my tires to gauge the smoothness of my turning. This really turned out to be a good thing. I knew from 4 years of AX that the noise meant I was not smooth and not on the right approach to the apex. Maybe this is another good reason for street tires in the beginning.
Thanks for the depth in the answer.
Boston, I suspect your enthusiasm and aggression will get you through green in no more than two sessions like they did for me. Then a good stint in blue to hone the techniques. I think white will be a tough group, there are drivers in there that just arrived and drivers who are ready to leave. That is a big spread. Either way I don't think it takes THAT many DEs to get to Solo.
When you are riding w/your instructors pay attention to how they turn in, heel toe and double clutch. Each driver is a little different with different levels of ease. Fascinating.
Edit: Actually there is a really BIG difference between drivers.
03-02-2007, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by TD in DC
With respect to Hoosiers, the hardest thing to get used to was finding the limits during braking. You could lock up the tires without making any noise. The first few times I remember thinking to myself "why does it feel like I just accelerated a little"? 
I have done exactly this....on national TV.
As for the "silence" of R-comps: some are less silent than others. RA1's and Hankook 211's are relatively noisy for R comps, which helps to make them predictable, IMHO.
03-02-2007, 10:02 AM
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Yes, you're right, Colin. I neglected to mention that.
03-02-2007, 10:14 AM
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I think the difference with MPSCs/RA1s vs a street tires is they wont squeal at 7 or 8/10ths. but at 9+, they are noisy (not quite as loud as a street tire, but certainly very audible).
03-02-2007, 10:16 AM
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Yes, Ed Zachary.
03-02-2007, 11:45 AM
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I started a new thread on the tire issue since it is always a popular topic and we really are hijacking this thread at this point: https://rennlist.com/forums/racing-and-drivers-education-forum/334575-r-compounds-vs-street-tires.html
03-02-2007, 12:05 PM
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A good idea; I should have titled the thread more carefully to include the terms 'first time dedicated DE car' and '911' in it.
Fun to watch how threads mutate, isn't it?
Fun to watch how threads mutate, isn't it?
03-02-2007, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by RickBetterley
A good idea; I should have titled the thread more carefully to include the terms 'first time dedicated DE car' and '911' in it.
Fun to watch how threads mutate, isn't it?
Fun to watch how threads mutate, isn't it?
Rick, we should do lunch more often.......
03-03-2007, 03:21 PM
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I think I am in.... LRP 3/30-31
Gary and Sean, I received an e-mail from Kevin today asking more info. about myself.
Did you guys have anything to do with it?.......
Did you guys have anything to do with it?.......
03-03-2007, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BostonDMD
Gary and Sean, I received an e-mail from Kevin today asking more info. about myself.
Did you guys have anything to do with it?.......
Did you guys have anything to do with it?.......
03-03-2007, 10:06 PM
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I know I am jumping in a few posts, and ignoring all the tire talk, but to me, what makes a great track car is "reliability/dependibility".. .I don't want to spend my weekend chasing electrical gremlins, hose/coolant problems, bad thermostats, high oil/water temps etc. I want a car that will run under the abuse of the track. To me, that would be an aircooled Porsche. 914 or 911 as first choices. Everything else (suspensions, cages, brake upgrades etc) is just gravy 