Originally Posted by needmoregarage

FIFY

Originally Posted by Manifold

I thought about that, but I can see why they wouldn't do it, for a bunch of reasonable reasons, some good and some not so good. Again, try to put yourself in their shoes.

The situation really sucks, no winners here.

Originally Posted by Manifold

How many people besides Luigi are complaining about PCA CR’s process for medical clearance?

How many people have chosen not to race with PCA specifically for that reason?

What are these numbers as a percentage of the people actively racing with PCA?

Originally Posted by NightBlueTTS

It’s hard to count/prove a negative— but I imagine it is a material number. I hope this thread helps serve as a warning to those considering applying…

Originally Posted by Manifold

I'm not really seeing where the lack of transparency is. Luigi disclosed OSA and use of a CPAP (as he is required to do, per the form), and PCA asked for the CPAP data (as they can do, per the form). It seems obvious that use of the CPAP is expected to reduce risk of an incident on track, even if there are no studies available to quantify that risk reduction - it's a medical judgment.

The situation accelerated downhill when Luigi didn't agree that the CPAP might reduce risk - which he has no evidence of - and refused to provide the CPAP data. It's his choice to not provide the data, but then the consequence is that his license won't be renewed. There was no need to make a scene about it in this public thread.

Originally Posted by Manifold

I read that there are more than 2,000 people with a PCA CR license. Doesn’t seem like the medical screening has been a big problem.

Originally Posted by NightBlueTTS

So to paraphrase you, you’re saying the following?:

Originally Posted by NightBlueTTS

So to paraphrase you, you’re saying the following?:

Originally Posted by Manifold

I’m saying this mess is because of interpersonal conflict, not policy problems. Change in policy won’t eliminate interpersonal conflict in the future.

Originally Posted by winders

Just like our elected officials in Washington, D.C., the people in office at PCA National forget that they are there to serve the membership, not rule over it....

Originally Posted by Manifold

I've noticed that many (not all) people in unpaid volunteer positions tend to feel they're already "serving" simply because they're doing unpaid work, and therefore they don't have an inclination to go a step further and deliver "customer service". Their "compensation" for their work is the feeling of having status and authority in the club, and that's sometimes affirmed by giving people a hard time, often by saying "no" to things. That's what I believe happened to Luigi.

Originally Posted by NightBlueTTS

And this thread is providing "transparency" that they operated in that way...the consequences of their actions are likely to be longer and farther reaching to The PCA over time. While Todd has more alternative organizations to race than he likely has time....so the big loser in this seems clear to me, I'm not sure if you'll see what I see though.....

Originally Posted by Manifold

No need to go in circles.