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That has nothing to do with who is qualified to race in what series or what club or at what level within a club. Racers who just say the old guy should just do DE's just don't get it. I know DE guys in open passing groups who are faster and better than guys in race groups. I know plenty of young guys in race groups I give lots of space to and just don't want to be around. A slow guy, old or young, driving with awareness and predictability is no threat. Anyone who catches that slow guy at a "no-pass" point on the track perhaps in the heat of battle is a "you problem." You opponent was just better than you to put you in that situation.
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That has nothing to do with who is qualified to race in what series or what club or at what level within a club. Racers who just say the old guy should just do DE's just don't get it. I know DE guys in open passing groups who are faster and better than guys in race groups. I know plenty of young guys in race groups I give lots of space to and just don't want to be around. A slow guy, old or young, driving with awareness and predictability is no threat. Anyone who catches that slow guy at a "no-pass" point on the track perhaps in the heat of battle is a "you problem." You opponent was just better than you to put you in that situation.
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In the tens of thousands of students/clients/class attendees I've had, I've known less than half a dozen that "show their age" and continue against good practice. What an ignorant thing to say.
There is decline across a broad range of age and cognitive function. I know more that are NOT "too old" that shouldn't be on track in DE (or especially racing), either.
Sheesh. Low sample group, I guess...
There is decline across a broad range of age and cognitive function. I know more that are NOT "too old" that shouldn't be on track in DE (or especially racing), either.
Sheesh. Low sample group, I guess...
We've also probably all met examples of people who are not a problem. I met a guy once, I jokenly called bs on him when I found out he was in his 90s as I legit thought he was 65ish; hopped out of his car like it was nothing, metally, physically, and how he talked and acted I would have bet money he was mid 60s, but nope, early 90s. Just because guys like that exist doesn't mean there aren't guys who are a problem. In my region there are at least a few who probably shouldn't be on a race track anymore. I've known some of them for close to 20 years now so I've seen their definite decline over the years.
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Still risk though. Locally a few years ago there was some monkey in a cayman R who confused his pedals in a braking zone much like we hear about at farmers markets and actually went through a barrier/fence and almost took out some workers on the other side; that was at a PCA HPDE.
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My former career dealt with collisions. 10s of thousands of them so I have a pretty good personal sample pool of collision data. Most old people hang up the keys when their decline reaches a certain point, but a not insignificant amount have a clear pattern of not caring and continue to drive well beyond when they should stop. The pattern is pretty predictable too. Collision, followed by rapidly increasing collisions (especially if they are in a new unfamiliar car they can't muscle memory around) in quick succession until there is an intervention, they can't get insurance anymore, or they run out of money fixing it outside of insurance to keep it off the record. There is nothing special about guys going racing so those same types of people will end up in race cars too.
We've also probably all met examples of people who are not a problem. I met a guy once, I jokenly called bs on him when I found out he was in his 90s as I legit thought he was 65ish; hopped out of his car like it was nothing, metally, physically, and how he talked and acted I would have bet money he was mid 60s, but nope, early 90s. Just because guys like that exist doesn't mean there aren't guys who are a problem. In my region there are at least a few who probably shouldn't be on a race track anymore. I've known some of them for close to 20 years now so I've seen their definite decline over the years.
We've also probably all met examples of people who are not a problem. I met a guy once, I jokenly called bs on him when I found out he was in his 90s as I legit thought he was 65ish; hopped out of his car like it was nothing, metally, physically, and how he talked and acted I would have bet money he was mid 60s, but nope, early 90s. Just because guys like that exist doesn't mean there aren't guys who are a problem. In my region there are at least a few who probably shouldn't be on a race track anymore. I've known some of them for close to 20 years now so I've seen their definite decline over the years.
That level of scrutiny rarely allows this "too old" or "in cognitive decline" drivers to participate, let alone continue.
Not the same as your sample pool.
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Heck, I saw VP drivers and FC drivers today that I have serious fitness questions about...
They're not requiring physicals for DE yet, but keep talking and they will...
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Coach, also, nice work with “doc in the box”.
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I'll just add that especially in DE's, every driver has multiple interactions with volunteer registration, staff, CI's, classroom and in-car instructors. Most drivers in DE's are constantly evaluated by these folks interacting with them.
That level of scrutiny rarely allows this "too old" or "in cognitive decline" drivers to participate, let alone continue.
Not the same as your sample pool.
That level of scrutiny rarely allows this "too old" or "in cognitive decline" drivers to participate, let alone continue.
Not the same as your sample pool.
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And I've explained why it won't happen. The DE market is muchlarger than club racing, and there are lots of organizers competing to attract participants. If PCA goes overboard on medical clearance and requires people to have their doc sign off to drive in DE, all the business will go elsewhere (Chin, SCCA, NASA, HOD, BMW CCA, regional clubs, etc.), and PCA knows that, so it won't happen.
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