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10-17-2022, 02:11 PM
#181
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So you didn't read the article - figures. And the result of the PCA/PCNA issue is/was? My dealer has covered my car when I told them I was at a track event, as have hundreds, probably thousands, of others.
Wait, you are saying that you know two people who had accidents NOT at a track, but were denied because they were driving back from an event? If so, sorry, but that's complete bullchit and/or the dudes did not tell you the entire story.
Wait, you are saying that you know two people who had accidents NOT at a track, but were denied because they were driving back from an event? If so, sorry, but that's complete bullchit and/or the dudes did not tell you the entire story.
10-17-2022, 02:48 PM
#182
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Is there a post from someone where they claim their warranty was voided just because they tracked the car? I'd say that needs a fact check. If true, they probably had a tune or modified the car with non-OEM parts. Here's a good Hagerty article:
https://www.hagerty.com/media/news/w...track-driving/
"So, track use does not automatically void the warranty. However, non-OEM vehicle modification..."
https://www.hagerty.com/media/news/w...track-driving/
"So, track use does not automatically void the warranty. However, non-OEM vehicle modification..."
PCNA has denied claims on cars which are totally stock for being used on track. In some instances, they covered the warranty claim with a stipulation that the balance of the warranty was voided but that the repair was covered as a "goodwill gesture." A non-disclosure was required by PCNA. The regional rep for PCNA even pulled Motorsportreg.com info as well as quotes from the involved party that he made on Rennlist and other forums about his HPDE experience.
My suggestion to anyone who has a warranty claim denied or their warranty cancelled by PCNA for HPDE use is to fight like hell, be well-documented and keep escalating the matter.
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10-17-2022, 03:26 PM
#183
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I'm sorry, but you and the Hagerty article are incorrect and misinformed..
PCNA has denied claims on cars which are totally stock for being used on track. in some instances, they covered the warranty claim with a stipulation that the balance of the warranty was voided but that the repair was covered as a "goodwill gesture." A non-disclosure was required by PCNA. The regional rep for PCNA even pulled Motorsportreg.com info as well as quotes from the involved party that he made on Rennlist and other forums about his HPDE experience.
My suggestion to anyone who has a warranty claim denied or their warranty cancelled by PCNA for HPDE use is to fight like hell, be well-documented and keep escalating the matter.
PCNA has denied claims on cars which are totally stock for being used on track. in some instances, they covered the warranty claim with a stipulation that the balance of the warranty was voided but that the repair was covered as a "goodwill gesture." A non-disclosure was required by PCNA. The regional rep for PCNA even pulled Motorsportreg.com info as well as quotes from the involved party that he made on Rennlist and other forums about his HPDE experience.
My suggestion to anyone who has a warranty claim denied or their warranty cancelled by PCNA for HPDE use is to fight like hell, be well-documented and keep escalating the matter.
Does the Porsche warranty cover track use? - Rennlist - Porsche Discussion Forums
Does warranty cover 991.2 GT3 track usage? - Rennlist - Porsche Discussion Forums
Tracking Porsches and Warranty - Rennlist - Porsche Discussion Forums
One of these threads says someone was denied a warranty claim due to non-OEM tires. That's the kind of folklore that gets around. Who knows what the details of the situation were. If it is true and if the claim was for something non-tire/wheel and non-suspension related, I would bet the car showed signs of 'abuse' of some sort. If the claim was for a wheel hub and he had slicks on, then I can see a denial could be plausible and defendable by the dealer. The devil is in the details.
10-17-2022, 03:58 PM
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10-17-2022, 04:04 PM
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10-17-2022, 04:08 PM
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10-17-2022, 04:16 PM
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10-17-2022, 04:39 PM
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10-17-2022, 04:40 PM
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Suggest you do a web search. This has been confirmed for Subaru and Mitsubishi, they were combing entry lists and denying warranty claims on STI, WRX's and Evo's.
10-17-2022, 06:19 PM
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Was that lipstick or cameras?
What about hp vs. torque?
What about hp vs. torque?
10-17-2022, 07:15 PM
#192
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Suggest you do a web search. This has been confirmed for Subaru and Mitsubishi, they were combing entry lists and denying warranty claims on STI, WRX's and Evo's.
https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/fo.../197902/page1/
Resolved after social media sources highlighted the issue.
10-17-2022, 07:24 PM
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Sorry, but unless it happened to you, then it's secondhand information which is almost always incomplete at best and sometimes wrong. We are probably talking around one another, though. There are lots of subtleties to the conversation like original warranty or CPO, history of the owner, and prior repairs, etc. come into play. If Porsche says you are 'abusing' the car, whether on track or not, they can deny a claim. If you modded the car and then reversed the mod for the warranty claim, they will probably figure it out and may deny it. Some P warranties say "racing or driving events may not be covered." The keyword is 'may.'
Does the Porsche warranty cover track use? - Rennlist - Porsche Discussion Forums
Does warranty cover 991.2 GT3 track usage? - Rennlist - Porsche Discussion Forums
Tracking Porsches and Warranty - Rennlist - Porsche Discussion Forums
One of these threads says someone was denied a warranty claim due to non-OEM tires. That's the kind of folklore that gets around. Who knows what the details of the situation were. If it is true and if the claim was for something non-tire/wheel and non-suspension related, I would bet the car showed signs of 'abuse' of some sort. If the claim was for a wheel hub and he had slicks on, then I can see a denial could be plausible and defendable by the dealer. The devil is in the details.
Does the Porsche warranty cover track use? - Rennlist - Porsche Discussion Forums
Does warranty cover 991.2 GT3 track usage? - Rennlist - Porsche Discussion Forums
Tracking Porsches and Warranty - Rennlist - Porsche Discussion Forums
One of these threads says someone was denied a warranty claim due to non-OEM tires. That's the kind of folklore that gets around. Who knows what the details of the situation were. If it is true and if the claim was for something non-tire/wheel and non-suspension related, I would bet the car showed signs of 'abuse' of some sort. If the claim was for a wheel hub and he had slicks on, then I can see a denial could be plausible and defendable by the dealer. The devil is in the details.
Dear Clueless:
It DID happen to me. A $27,000 PDK replacement that PCNA tried to weasel out of covering because they said the car was driven on track and therefore voided the warranty. I cajoled, threatened, negotiated and this was the resolution after FOUR months of not having my car:
PCNA supplied parts.
Dealer covered labor.
The balance of my warranty was rendered void.
Had car repaired and traded it in on my Turbo S.
Happy now???
(By the way, the threats worked best.)
10-17-2022, 09:30 PM
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Dear Clueless:
It DID happen to me. A $27,000 PDK replacement that PCNA tried to weasel out of covering because they said the car was driven on track and therefore voided the warranty. I cajoled, threatened, negotiated and this was the resolution after FOUR months of not having my car:
PCNA supplied parts.
Dealer covered labor.
The balance of my warranty was rendered void.
Had car repaired and traded it in on my Turbo S.
Happy now???
(By the way, the threats worked best.)
It DID happen to me. A $27,000 PDK replacement that PCNA tried to weasel out of covering because they said the car was driven on track and therefore voided the warranty. I cajoled, threatened, negotiated and this was the resolution after FOUR months of not having my car:
PCNA supplied parts.
Dealer covered labor.
The balance of my warranty was rendered void.
Had car repaired and traded it in on my Turbo S.
Happy now???
(By the way, the threats worked best.)
As someone who has sat on both sides of the table I will tell everyone (no surprise here) that large corporations will get away with what they can until there is pushback.
To those saying "this never happened" another thing you will learn is that many times there is not a universal policy even in large companies. It is who is handling the matter. I'm sure David's story is true.
You think large company policies are handled efficiently or consistently? LOL!
