DesmoRR

I think paying for low mileage is simply asking for further issues. Cars are meant to be driven. Whats sad about my car is everyone is telling me if i break 5k miles on it I am screwed. Why the hell own something if you can't drive it however much you want?!

All I know is my 918 will be a driver. That thing will be used every single day in SoCal, and I don't care what anyone thinks about the miles on it! haha

GreenLantern

Stephen Pitts

"Originally Posted by DesmoRR View Post
The white car is my car, I have it listed with Isringhausen. And 1.1M is the number. If it sells great, if not I will keep it forever. I am not worried about it.

The one that had paintwork has a crash too and its in Dallas I believe. It was for sale.

However mine, which is listed, is Sand White, its the only on in north america and one of 2 in the world. The other being in Qatar I am told."

Actually, DesmoRR, I am not sure you were told the truth since this one, which I believe is "sand white(?)", is from Switzerland:

http://www.autogespot.com/porsche-carrera-gt/2015/06/06

Cheers,

Steve

JS

Was your car for sale at Rancho Mirage last year?

nuvolari612

Ok and I edited.

I think that's my entire premise on what is relevant.

Collector cars have value for what they are not what they grow up to be.

At some point if a car reaches collector value the car is restored - provenance is what's key and why I prefer one owner cars.

Low mileage examples IMO are not collector cars - they are cars that have not been driven and how or why that adds value is beyond me.

Step 1. Drive it Step 2. Maintain it 3. Restore it to as new - repeat process.

There are plenty of world class paint and leather shops that can duplicate any factory craftsmanship. Every part is replaceable - look at how many GTO's a 50M car have been crashed and brought back better than new.

This modern collector low mileage value - it's simply a mindset in the US that's just wrong and top dollar collector restored cars prove it.

I own and restored a 69z29 Austin Healey - they and others are not worth less than an original low mileage.

Ferrari owners for the most part live and die over miles as do the Ferrari dealers - the real reason is owners can't afford the car.

That's the only reason they don't add miles. I think that goes with the CGT simply look back and see all the owners who sold prior to a clutch replacement.

Owners want to turn a modern car into an investment - only way to do that is to not drive it which IMO is a ridiculous thought process as when cars age they become collectible not vice versa.

How many times have you and I along with others looked at something and stated "if the item could only tell all the stories". Then go look at something that's been stored since day one - it's got nothing to tell and to me it's about the history not the climate controlled frigidity.

The real (highest) value is not a low mileage car - the F1 GTO Dino 959 and others that drive the market are not low mileage driven vs the owners simply don't sell which adds far more value.

nuvolari612

As it was intended.

Hoping you ring the 1M bell - the CGT deserves that crown.

smokeygt

You said the proper word "collectors". Also, as in stamp collectors. I personally don't collect stamps and don't begrudge those that do. I'd like to say I collect experiences. Having a pristine 'stamp', to me, is not worth the price premium of not having the experience of driving one. Life is too short to collect 'stamps'.

JGC930

How many white (any shade) GT's are in the country?

Stephen Pitts

Sorry, Justin, I was quoting DesmoRR about the sand white Porsche, but didn't put the qoute in the grey box... I only have one black one (with a special red interior) which will have to be torn from my dead hand before I depart with it... Cheers

NYC123

With this entire discussion about low miles adding value to collector cars etc, people must realize this does NOT really go on that much in the "real" collector car world at all. This mindset is really just around modern/semi modern cars and mostly around porsche cars only from various ages... I think this is all part of the recent mini bubble that has developed around modern/semi modern cars and much of this is being fueled by many of the dealers who ask multiples of the price for low mile cars with people falling into their traps.... You can look at my previous post about gt3rs 4.0 cars walking thru the math of how it make no sense for somebody to pay around 500k for a low mile car when a 5k mile car is around 300k. By default that means the "collector" buying the low mile car is getting heavier depreciation than a new mini van in his first 5k mile of use, and if thats the case, then the underlying car obviously aint that special, or the price was way way too high at purchase.
The point is, as one other person mentioned what will possibly make something worth more than you paid 30 years down the road is the car, the history of that car to either the brand that made it, or racing etc. something will end up being special about that car within auto history. Having a car that was just wiped with a diaper is not what will determine if its special in 30 years.

I think the other side of this coin thought is that many of these modern semi modern cars will be much harder to restore or won't be able to be restored which is maybe why some feel the need to not drive them.

At the end of the day I think if you are planning to keep for a long time you should drive it as in the long run its either special or not special, and an extra 10,000 miles should not make all that much difference

Sonder Fahrt

a white cgt is being advertised in germany right now. 37.502 miles for 820.000 euro (911.000 usd). the ad says 27 white cgt were produced.

usctrojanGT3

Probably one of the best posts I've ever read on RL. I guess I'm not one of those guys that would add tens or hundreds of thousands to the value of a car because it has less than 5,000 miles versus 10,000 miles. Give me a driver's car that has been driven on a regular basis then a car that sits and collects dust for its life. I'm so glad that I was able to track my PTS RS...probably the best experiences of my life and to me that is priceless.

Whoopsy

http://www.globalautosports.com/mode...che-Carrera-GT

Someone is already asking over a mil for one.

amerifrikaner

Rumor has it that the 1-of-1 PTS Rosso Red CGT recently sold for $1m...

W8MM

That's Graham Rahal's Sand White PTS car.

So, .... What does one think a 1 of 1 PTS Signal Yellow CGT with an edition number of "0911" would fetch?