Shrike071

As I've said before, Tesla is a technology company that builds cars, not a car company. Eventually, I suspect Tesla will start selling their tech to other automakers via licensing agreements because there is probably more money in it. The car production will be something they do on the side.

amphicar770

Most Tesla owners I know think it is the best car they ever owned. Most are prior owners of German Marques including Porsche.

When I hear people dismissing Tesla as a fad, I am reminded of when Ford was offered VW for free.

The Brits were willing to hand over all of VW for nothing, just to get the burden off their hands. When the time came to make a decision, Ernest Breech, Chairman of Ford's Board, looked at Ford II and said: "Mr. Ford, I don't think what we're being offered here is worth a damn," according to Small Wonder. Meeting adjourned.

aloktayi

Thanks for sharing your experience! What triggered the battery replacement whole under CPO?

Was it the low mileage, kWh stored, etc?

I've got a 2016 CPO that holds maybe 11 mi worth of charge (8.5 kWh?), which is lower than spec. Curious when I should bring it up with service to see if they'll put in a new battery.

16PanaHybrid

11 miles real world for a 2016 is good, especially in winter colder temps.

amphicar770

Consistent with my colder weather experience and my battery is only about 2 years old.

Unfortunately, the HV battery in this series, while priced like a giant Tesla battery (60-100 kWh), is only about the same size / capacity of what you will find in a Prius (9.4 kWh).

Replacing the Porther 9.4 kWh battery costs as much to replace as the Tesla 100kWh+, or 5x the cost of the similar size Toyota battery. The life expectancy of the Porsch battery is 1/2 of those others. Fanbois call that "superior German Engineering".

gougoul

My late '18 (MY 19) turbo S hybrids does ~32kms in perfect conditions, in the winter ~half of it if you use the car the way it's meant to be (AC on etc)

amphicar770

The 2017+ models have a larger battery (9.4 kWh vs 14.1 kWh) and different EV components thst the earlier models.

SS22

The 2021+ Panameras (971.2) have even a larger battery (17.9 kw).

Thinker

I spoke with the General Manager, consulted with three attorneys, and threatened a lawsuit. I'm not sure exactly what the reason was, but I had gotten multiple check engine lights in just a couple of months after my purchase. I had complained before of the same problems and they told me it was fine. Only after talking to lawyers they agreed to replace it. That's the interesting thing when I hear people here talking about the long warranty. First it doesn't help if you are buying a CPO, second it doesn't mean you will get it replaced very easily. The dealership will do everything they can to avoid it.

Dr. G7

I wonder why dealerships do that? It’s not like the dealership will have to fork out their own funds. Porsche mothership will reimburse

Thinker

That's a good question. My guess is that they'll receive pushback if they start having a lot of battery replacements, since they're so expensive.

amphicar770

You may get lucky, but highly unlikely that they will replace it due to diminished battery capacity.

If battery fails to point where Porsche will replace it under warranty, you likely will see a "Hybrid Sytem Failure" message which will immobilize the vehicle. On many hybrids when the HV battery fails you can continue running it as a gasser. On the Porsche it becomes a brick and you will pay $25k ransom to unbrick it. Remember, "superior German engineering" comes at a cost.

Mizu20

Since the 971 has been out for a bit now, thinking about buying a Panamera hybrid and have been reading a lot of battery problems with the 970 to the point where people have said to not even bother getting a Porsche hybrid. Since it’s been about 6 years now with the 971, has anyone experienced the battery failing or any problems with the hybrid? Basically, stay away from buying a hybrid?? Or are the 971s a lot more reliable?

jrcrmr

I can't speak for everyone, but the few I've known, including ours, have been great. No battery or problems with the hybrid at all.

We sold ours, but it was 5 years and had 120k kms on it when we sold it.