Well,thank God American publications are not biased...

 

It is. Unfortunately,it sucks when you call your competition " Best DRIVER'S car " and you give it to an automatic heavy car with turbos...all while Pobst admits " there was something wrong with the alignment on the GT4 test car we've received ". Ok...

 

Well it's better than that snarky British commentary - I don't know how you can stand it.

I was in London all last week - fantastic city, great people don't get me wrong but listening to them whine as they do can be tedious.

 

It seems like the closet doors went wide open...

Well...earlier today I got my VIN and ~August build date for my R in LB and no options.

 

There's other aspect I like about the GT350. We can argue all day long which one is faster on a track, but for the price, you can't have anything better than that. Not really fair to compare it to a GT3 that cost 3X more. Thing is, Porsche lost me when they decided to make it PDK only. They removed most of the fun factor, I don't care it's faster, it's still an automatic. And the GT4? Sorry, but it's not a special car. Like others said, parts bin car for still more money than a GT350.
Truth is, some here will never like it because it's a Ford.
I absolutely love mine. It's been a while since I had so much fun in the street. Since my 964, in fact.

 

Same here man - I tested just about everything in the 95k range and under (used) from 911 Turbo PDK's to Ferrari Modena 6speeds to Corvette Stingrays - nothing comes even close to the driving experience of the Shelby GT350. Probably one of the greatest sports coupes made in the last 25 years. Instant legend.

 

It's comments like this that got me all excited to order a gt350 last year...and then I got my car.
Greatest sport coupe made, by ford, in the last 25 years, maybe.
Do you work for Ford Para?

 

That's subjective man. Regualr Mustangs sound like crap to me. And I never liked the sound of flat-crank V8s, so a GT350 doesn't appeal to me in that department. And I have to say they manage to sound much worse than a Ferrari. My Cayman GTS (PSE standard) sounds way better than any Mustang, including GT350s IMO. Much more exotic and refined, even though it only revs to 7,800 rpm. But that's all a matter of taste, so highly subjective.

Ha ha. That's true, especially their staged crap. Their last iteration is the worst by far; both Leblanc and Evans are painful to hear and watch. Chris Harris I'd trust on performance differences, but at least to me, that's not what driving a performance car is all about. And THAT is the problem some folks here have. They don't understand it's not all about performance for some of us; it's about the DRIVING EXPERIENCE. Driving a Mustang couldn't be more mundane. When I sat on a GT350, it just felt cheap. Didn't even ask to drive it (not interested). I don't care if it has a 500 or 1,000HP engine; if it doesn't even feel right to me, I simply don't care how it performs. I traded a 2015 Lexus RC-F and 2015 GTR for a fully-optioned 2016 Cayman GTS, since I wasn't impressed with a cheaper GT4 (plus didn't want a track car). And couldn't be happier, even though it's immensely slower than the GTR (especially at my altitude), but much more fun to drive. Depends what you want.

 

Most of the R versions are 30 to 40k over sticker. Mustang interior quality is still a little lacking and it's quite heavy and not as tosable as a gt3. Not close to perfection by any stretch.

 

I've meant Top Gear as in the magazine...not the new clowns...

 

You turned down a test drive in a GT350 ? Man. Well congrats on the GT4, good dynamics.

 

1. Down force is easy to add or subtract. Down force can be a disadvantage depending on track. No?

2. My Boss 302 TA3 makes 526 hp with headers and a tune. What does a GT350 make? Oh, and the Boss is lighter by over 100 lbs. Advantage Boss.

3. Boss camber is adjustable. Not much of a factor up front. Rear IRS on GT 350 is an advantage but on smooth tracks not a real factor.

4. Are u running an endurance race or DE sessions of 15 to 20 minutes? Never seen a stock Boss burn up a trans or diff at a DE. You? Non issue. Boss does have a trans cooler also btw. Again not an issue for DEs. For actual racing yes, but your not racing a stock GT350 are you?

With the mods for the Boss your are easily within a second of the R at many tracks.

 

While I hate blanket statements, the advantage of downforce usually outweighs the losses of drag on most racetracks. The Boss 302R didn't win races until the installation of the (Steeda) Wing in the CTSCC series.

How much whp does your modified boss make? The GT350 puts down 475whp SAE.

How much does your boss weigh? The 350R weighs 3,665lbs with a full tank of gas.

The GT350R is capable of -1.5* of front camber -Fords recommended track setting. (Wider tires dont need as much camber). The IRS makes the car much more balanced and has higher cornering speeds than the Boss's solid rear axle, which requires more of a point-and-shoot line because it does not roll mid corner speeds as good as say an M3, but it's advantage is putting power down. Meanwhile the GT350 drives more like an M3 and has even higher cornering speeds - this comparison was all done on the same size/brand tires across all 3 cars.

The Boss does not have a trans cooler, the Laguna Seca had a scoop which is nowhere near as effective as a real cooler. Log your trans temps, you'll likely see high 200s -And unknowingly hurting the longevity of your synchros on even a 20-30min session.

What are your lap times at NJMP?

 

Dude, you keep talking about a modified car. Who cares? Theres a lot of modified cars that are very capable. That's not the point. You can modify a GT350 too, or a GT3 and bring it close to a cup car. We are talking about car available TODAY, out of the box! Lol
Enjoy the Boss, lovely car, nobody wants to take it away from you and replace it with a GT350. Relax.

 

Sounds very close minded. He made a biased opinion before trying it. Again, because of the blue oval. Looks cheap? Oh well. I care more about the engine, gearbox and driving experience than its plastics. I can careless about full leather and deviating stiches or fragrance from the vent. Porsches used to be raw, pure, not luxurious, but now they catered to these people. That's what sell, and what's profitable.
For some people it's all show, and display what you can afford. Ego. Sorry but true.