GT350
02-14-2016, 12:37 PM
#406
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No doubt what the new GT350 is about. Its an amazing car and a step forward for the Mustang.
I expect the GT350 will get better and better as it will have to in order to compete against the new offerings coming out each year. Expect a new Z28.
Like I said, waiting to add a GT350R. Black on Black!!!
I expect the GT350 will get better and better as it will have to in order to compete against the new offerings coming out each year. Expect a new Z28.
Like I said, waiting to add a GT350R. Black on Black!!!
02-14-2016, 01:42 PM
#407
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Originally Posted by Para82
Everyone has met that guy that says something and immediately you know you will never be able to talk cars with them because they just don't get it. Der Stig is that guy haha.
Originally Posted by DerStig
Thats not a fair comment. I have owned an E90 M3 and so far no V8 I have seen came close to how that car sounded. That car also revs to 8400 rpm but does not have that raspyness to it, the burble is very different.
But thats not why I said what I said. The flat plane crank argument is nothing but a marketing gimmick. By throwing FPC term out there, they are trying to imply that "exotic like" engine tone because Ferrari is known with their FPC V8s. My point was Ford still sounds like an american V8. Nothing like an exotic. Does it sound different than Boss 302? Sure it does, but it sounds nothing like cars that made people fan of FPC cars.
Didnt MT have a review of GT350 where they mentioned "it wouldnt be cost effective" unless Ford made some compromises which is why this FPC does not sound like some of the other more famous ones?
But thats not why I said what I said. The flat plane crank argument is nothing but a marketing gimmick. By throwing FPC term out there, they are trying to imply that "exotic like" engine tone because Ferrari is known with their FPC V8s. My point was Ford still sounds like an american V8. Nothing like an exotic. Does it sound different than Boss 302? Sure it does, but it sounds nothing like cars that made people fan of FPC cars.
Didnt MT have a review of GT350 where they mentioned "it wouldnt be cost effective" unless Ford made some compromises which is why this FPC does not sound like some of the other more famous ones?
02-14-2016, 02:03 PM
#408
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No doubt what the new GT350 is about. Its an amazing car and a step forward for the Mustang. I expect the GT350 will get better and better as it will have to in order to compete against the new offerings coming out each year. Expect a new Z28. Like I said, waiting to add a GT350R. Black on Black!!!
The boss R sounded and felt like a nascar- very tall, that rumbly and lopey (motorboat style) idle and mid range and that Nascar grizzly bear roar at top end. My favorite part of the car was actually the way the transmission felt- the engine didn't blow me away. The shifter felt very notchy and positive- going into gear was like the 997GT3 transmission. It felt really really strong. I felt like even the race car had a lot of body roll however.
The GT4 stock sound is good but really only screams at the top end. Our clubsport GT4 has new headers and we did our own center section so it's a lot louder, more like GT3 cup now. Sounds way better than the normal GT4. The GT4 trans is very smooth but not as race car feeling as the 997GT3. The ratios on the CS are totally different- much shorter through 2-5 which allows you to be in the powerband more regularly.
The GT4 platform is the most confidence inspiring Porsche- the 996 GT3 was hyperactive, the 997GT3 was better and the .2GT3 was the best. The new GT3 and RS don't feel the same through the steering wheel or around corners- the combo of rear steering and electric servo steering makes the 991 RS feel like an R8. Very flat cornering but less communicative even on a canyon road. The GT4 has that same flatness but just a little more analog because of the lack of rear steering assist. It's very precise and can be tailored easily to suit your driving style with just sway bars and alignment.
The acr is another animal entirely. It does not sound as sexy but it has more grip than all of them put together and with so much torque it just hooks up and pulls from everywhere in the rev range. The car turns in and hits every apex but roasts the front tires unless they're set up specifically for that track. It weighs a lot less than people think- less than 3400lbs. The brakes are better on the ACR than any car I've ever driven- nothing comes close except the 675LT and the P1- the LT because it is a ~2900lb car with carpets removed and low fuel and the P1 because you have so much downforce you can brake all the way down into every apex.
That being said hearing the multimatic 350R go through the banking at Daytona, even just hearing them start up and roll by in the paddock I kept saying I HAVE TO HAVE ONE.
Referenced cars ranked sound wise:
1)350R
2)GT3 w/ exhaust (bbi, sharky, cup side bypass etc)
3) GT4 clubsport w exhaust mods
4) 675LT stock
5) P1
6) Boss 302
7) Acr
02-14-2016, 02:06 PM
#409
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I am not trying to be negative but why does it sound like some bolt or metal piece is loose when he revs the engine? Or more so when he revs it but lets go of the throttle? Its almost like metal on metal tin can kind of noise. Not the tone but similar behavior was also on mhy F80 M3 which was one of the reasons I couldnt stand it and sold it. Again I am not implying V8 in ford sounds like the turbo I6, but it was a similar sound behavior.
I find this kind of sound much more appealing and classy. For some reason ford sounds too raspy and there is too much tin can noise. Watch it at 2:00 and 4:00 for the best parts:
EMS Powered Exhaust - YouTube
I find this kind of sound much more appealing and classy. For some reason ford sounds too raspy and there is too much tin can noise. Watch it at 2:00 and 4:00 for the best parts:
EMS Powered Exhaust - YouTube
I would argue the Shelby both in appearance and sound is far more classy than any BMW. There is nothing all that exclusive about these M cars anymore. The Shelby exceeds these cars not only in performance but also pedigree, panache and class by a longshot.
02-14-2016, 04:24 PM
#410
I like the E92 BMW M3 sound quite a bit with an exhaust - very unique. I would argue the Shelby both in appearance and sound is far more classy than any BMW. There is nothing all that exclusive about these M cars anymore. The Shelby exceeds these cars not only in performance but also pedigree, panache and class by a longshot.
Never thought I would agree that a mustang is more classy than a BMW M car but I absolutely agree.
02-14-2016, 08:46 PM
#412
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Any owners here park their Shelby in a public place yet? It's pretty funny. I was eating my lunch today at a nice outdoor Florida mall with the car in my line of sight there was no less than 3 - 5 people at any given time taking video or pics with their cellphones. Some waited until I got in and started it up haha.
02-14-2016, 09:03 PM
#413
I got white with blue stripes. I just came back from 34 hour journey to get my GT350 with track package in Jonesboro Arkansas.
Left the house at 11 pm on Friday. to go to LAX. Flew to Houston. Laid over for 2.5 hours. Flew to Memphis. Drove a rental car for two hours to get to the dealership. They wouldn't sell me the car unless I go there in person. Initially negotiated $62,500 for the car. It had MSRP of $58K. They gave me another $500 off for my efforts to get to the dealership. So $4K above sticker + $1800 transport + $2,000 for the flight, hotel and rental car to get to the dealership. So I'm essentially paying $7,800 over sticker. But I had one of the best BBQ at Memphis.
Didn't get a chance to test drive it thoroughly due to weather. But car sounds incredible!! First thing I'm going to do when the car gets to Cali is remove the resonator so that it will sound like a GT350R + Cup 2 tires.
Left the house at 11 pm on Friday. to go to LAX. Flew to Houston. Laid over for 2.5 hours. Flew to Memphis. Drove a rental car for two hours to get to the dealership. They wouldn't sell me the car unless I go there in person. Initially negotiated $62,500 for the car. It had MSRP of $58K. They gave me another $500 off for my efforts to get to the dealership. So $4K above sticker + $1800 transport + $2,000 for the flight, hotel and rental car to get to the dealership. So I'm essentially paying $7,800 over sticker. But I had one of the best BBQ at Memphis.
Didn't get a chance to test drive it thoroughly due to weather. But car sounds incredible!! First thing I'm going to do when the car gets to Cali is remove the resonator so that it will sound like a GT350R + Cup 2 tires.
02-14-2016, 09:13 PM
#416
BTW. I don't think people will be able to 2016 GT350 for MSRP. The dealer I bought my car from told me that dealers in California, Texas and Florida call them all the time to buy the car for $2K over MSRP everyday.
If the rumors of 2017 production volume doubling are true, we will see these cars sell for MSRP starting August or September this year. I couldn't wait that long.
If the rumors of 2017 production volume doubling are true, we will see these cars sell for MSRP starting August or September this year. I couldn't wait that long.
02-14-2016, 09:14 PM
#417
Any owners here park their Shelby in a public place yet? It's pretty funny. I was eating my lunch today at a nice outdoor Florida mall with the car in my line of sight there was no less than 3 - 5 people at any given time taking video or pics with their cellphones. Some waited until I got in and started it up haha.
02-14-2016, 09:49 PM
#419
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I got white with blue stripes. I just came back from 34 hour journey to get my GT350 with track package in Jonesboro Arkansas.
Left the house at 11 pm on Friday. to go to LAX. Flew to Houston. Laid over for 2.5 hours. Flew to Memphis. Drove a rental car for two hours to get to the dealership. They wouldn't sell me the car unless I go there in person. Initially negotiated $62,500 for the car. It had MSRP of $58K. They gave me another $500 off for my efforts to get to the dealership. So $4K above sticker + $1800 transport + $2,000 for the flight, hotel and rental car to get to the dealership. So I'm essentially paying $7,800 over sticker. But I had one of the best BBQ at Memphis.
Didn't get a chance to test drive it thoroughly due to weather. But car sounds incredible!! First thing I'm going to do when the car gets to Cali is remove the resonator so that it will sound like a GT350R + Cup 2 tires.
Left the house at 11 pm on Friday. to go to LAX. Flew to Houston. Laid over for 2.5 hours. Flew to Memphis. Drove a rental car for two hours to get to the dealership. They wouldn't sell me the car unless I go there in person. Initially negotiated $62,500 for the car. It had MSRP of $58K. They gave me another $500 off for my efforts to get to the dealership. So $4K above sticker + $1800 transport + $2,000 for the flight, hotel and rental car to get to the dealership. So I'm essentially paying $7,800 over sticker. But I had one of the best BBQ at Memphis.
Didn't get a chance to test drive it thoroughly due to weather. But car sounds incredible!! First thing I'm going to do when the car gets to Cali is remove the resonator so that it will sound like a GT350R + Cup 2 tires.
OT - I did a roadtrip with the wife to Memphis last year in a Boss 302 Laguna Seca. Graceland has all of Elvis' cars still there, great stuff.
Last edited by Para82; 02-15-2016 at 12:32 AM.
02-14-2016, 09:58 PM
#420
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