GT350
#3106
Here's a slightly used one but better than new with a clear bra and tint...https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...odelCode1=MUST
#3107
#3108
Originally Posted by jmann2380
Even one better. A 17 for ~$9k off: https://www.paulmillerford.com/new-L...6P8JZ5H5526176
#3109
#3110
Sorry, not very carefully as it appears. (It was very late; I was tired; and was reading on my phone.) All good.
#3111
I had a '16 GT350 that sh*t the bed with the seized engine with only 3K on it. Took some arm twisting to get Ford to send me a new car. I waited 6 months for a '17. I put another 4K on that car but with all of the engines that have been blowing up/seizing etc..... I ultimately chose to sell mine as I could no longer enjoy the car. I just couldn't trust that it would stay together. I'll be taking delivery of my 5th 911 in Sept. I think I'm finally done with American cars. The fit/finish on both of the GT350's I had was pretty bad.
#3112
I had a '16 GT350 that sh*t the bed with the seized engine with only 3K on it. Took some arm twisting to get Ford to send me a new car. I waited 6 months for a '17. I put another 4K on that car but with all of the engines that have been blowing up/seizing etc..... I ultimately chose to sell mine as I could no longer enjoy the car. I just couldn't trust that it would stay together. I'll be taking delivery of my 5th 911 in Sept. I think I'm finally done with American cars. The fit/finish on both of the GT350's I had was pretty bad.
#3113
Those guys on that board are largely in denial, till it happens to them. The GT350 is rife with shotty build quality, but the engine does seem to be the big issue. The power and the way it makes it is great but the engineering might be so flawed to the point that every 5.2 FPC longevity is suspect. We will see but I chose to sell as I think the values are going to tank once the questionable reliability for the 5.2 really starts to take hold.
#3114
Those guys on that board are largely in denial, till it happens to them. The GT350 is rife with shotty build quality, but the engine does seem to be the big issue. The power and the way it makes it is great but the engineering might be so flawed to the point that every 5.2 FPC longevity is suspect. We will see but I chose to sell as I think the values are going to tank once the questionable reliability for the 5.2 really starts to take hold.
#3115
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15,600 miles on my 2017 and its been flawless. Build quality is excellent all around, no service required other than oil. It does eat oil, so you have to be very careful to monitor oil levels since there is no idiot light to warn you. This may have been the cause of some of the reported issues. Statistically speaking, I think its still too early to say if there is a serious issue. Careful what you read on the internet, they would have you believe that every 996 is about to blow up.
#3116
15,600 miles on my 2017 and its been flawless. Build quality is excellent all around, no service required other than oil. It does eat oil, so you have to be very careful to monitor oil levels since there is no idiot light to warn you. This may have been the cause of some of the reported issues. Statistically speaking, I think its still too early to say if there is a serious issue. Careful what you read on the internet, they would have you believe that every 996 is about to blow up.
#3117
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But it eats oil (most of them do) so that's not flawless in my book. I read that Ford says a quart per 500 miles is 'normal' lol. Both of my GT350's had paint so thin that you could see the primer at certain angles on the hood. Other paint flaws, rear bumper sag that gets worse over time, inconsistent panel gaps, crappy panel stampings, interior rattles etc. It's a great performer but you definitely get what you pay for. Ford hasn't (and will never) address all the engine trouble the 5.2 FPC has had. They stopped racing it though and that is all too telling. It's a statement to everyone who's paying attention that they don't even believe in the 5.2 FPC which is another reason why I got rid of it. I should have taken the buyback money instead after my '16 popped.
Ford's confidence in the 5.2 is probably best demonstrated by the fact that there will be a 2019 model year. Quite a long run for a special model. Don't think they would continue to produce if they felt there was a huge liability hanging over their head. Much like the engine failures on the GT3, the IMS on the 996, etc the internet message boards tend to overstate true failure rates and their causes.
#3118
15,600 miles on my 2017 and its been flawless. Build quality is excellent all around, no service required other than oil. It does eat oil, so you have to be very careful to monitor oil levels since there is no idiot light to warn you. This may have been the cause of some of the reported issues. Statistically speaking, I think its still too early to say if there is a serious issue. Careful what you read on the internet, they would have you believe that every 996 is about to blow up.
What I read from internet is:
- engine replacement did happen to multiple forum members for MY 2016-2018
- most engines are okay except high oil consumption,
- Ford amended owners manual stating 1qt /500 miles oil consumption this is under normal threshold
- Ford does not allow dealership to open the engine and investigate the problem
- Ford has take FCP out of their race series with a reason that far from convincing
True there is only around 50 engine replacements reported on the forum, but maybe the sample size is small as well? Plus so far, no one knows what the issue is. Failed engine got packed and sent back to Ford directly.
You can say I'm fine, my engine is good. Unlikely this will happen to me. - which I agree. It is a fact. Some 991.1 GT3 engine survived thousands of miles and are still running given there is a design flaw that is well documented.
For me, after see, touch, feel all the bad build quality everyday, plus this 'potential' engine issue - I sold the car. It's those issues and worries took away the pleasure of the ownership experience.
#3119
Rennlist Member
1 qt every 2,500 miles for me. Your Porsche manual will give you the same warning.
Ford's confidence in the 5.2 is probably best demonstrated by the fact that there will be a 2019 model year. Quite a long run for a special model. Don't think they would continue to produce if they felt there was a huge liability hanging over their head. Much like the engine failures on the GT3, the IMS on the 996, etc the internet message boards tend to overstate true failure rates and their causes.
Ford's confidence in the 5.2 is probably best demonstrated by the fact that there will be a 2019 model year. Quite a long run for a special model. Don't think they would continue to produce if they felt there was a huge liability hanging over their head. Much like the engine failures on the GT3, the IMS on the 996, etc the internet message boards tend to overstate true failure rates and their causes.
It's just people perceive information differently.
What I read from internet is:
- engine replacement did happen to multiple forum members for MY 2016-2018
- most engines are okay except high oil consumption,
- Ford amended owners manual stating 1qt /500 miles oil consumption this is under normal threshold
- Ford does not allow dealership to open the engine and investigate the problem
- Ford has take FCP out of their race series with a reason that far from convincing
True there is only around 50 engine replacements reported on the forum, but maybe the sample size is small as well? Plus so far, no one knows what the issue is. Failed engine got packed and sent back to Ford directly.
You can say I'm fine, my engine is good. Unlikely this will happen to me. - which I agree. It is a fact. Some 991.1 GT3 engine survived thousands of miles and are still running given there is a design flaw that is well documented.
For me, after see, touch, feel all the bad build quality everyday, plus this 'potential' engine issue - I sold the car. It's those issues and worries took away the pleasure of the ownership experience.
What I read from internet is:
- engine replacement did happen to multiple forum members for MY 2016-2018
- most engines are okay except high oil consumption,
- Ford amended owners manual stating 1qt /500 miles oil consumption this is under normal threshold
- Ford does not allow dealership to open the engine and investigate the problem
- Ford has take FCP out of their race series with a reason that far from convincing
True there is only around 50 engine replacements reported on the forum, but maybe the sample size is small as well? Plus so far, no one knows what the issue is. Failed engine got packed and sent back to Ford directly.
You can say I'm fine, my engine is good. Unlikely this will happen to me. - which I agree. It is a fact. Some 991.1 GT3 engine survived thousands of miles and are still running given there is a design flaw that is well documented.
For me, after see, touch, feel all the bad build quality everyday, plus this 'potential' engine issue - I sold the car. It's those issues and worries took away the pleasure of the ownership experience.
#3120
With ~18,000 Voodoos built, perhaps even more now, 4 or 10 dozen replacements doesn't seem to me to be out of the ordinary for a high strung race engine. I say race engine because of the components and techniques that were used to build it, not because they are currently being hammered every Sunday - though my understanding is that Ford's Track Attack program cars are pretty reliable. Mine leads a cushy life and is a keeper - no noticeable oil consumption, no rattles, yet does suffer from crappy paint and panel fit. Like my wife always says: "I know what I married".